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Brian Schimpf Talks the Political Tensions Between the United States and China
10 Oct 2025
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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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And we kick things off with Brian Schimpf, CEO of Anduril, as the first of many conversations. Brian, we're grateful to be here at Anduril. There has been a lot of hype around the company, a deep focus on what it is doing, how it is growing.
And so as a place to start, would you just bring us up to speed on where Anduril is today, operationally, revenue, the business it is doing with the US government and Western allies?
Absolutely. Well, thank you for having me on. Really excited to have you here. The Andoril has been around about eight years, but we've grown incredibly in that time. I think this year we're going to be over 6,500 employees. We've got something like about half of them here in Costa Mesa. We're looking to basically double revenue this year. So we're about a billion last year.
We'll go over two billion this year. and we're ramping production about 400%. So a lot of the mix is switching from a lot of the earlier stage things we were doing, which were kind of experimental, really learning what the technology could do, how to integrate it with war fighters.
This year we're really moving into this mode of really producing. Brian, forgive me. We've actually got some breaking news that's just crossed the Bloomberg terminal. President Trump is saying that he was due to meet China's President Xi in two weeks' time. He's saying now that he sees no reason to do so. The team are going to put some of the headlines up on the screen.
But, Caro, a significant piece of news because part of what we wanted to discuss today was China. The president's saying that he's calculating increased tariffs on Chinese products.
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Chapter 2: What insights does Brian Schimpf share about Anduril's growth and operations?
And this brings so many questions around what the TikTok relationship had been. And much of that had been sort of almost this linchpin in relationships between President Xi and indeed President Trump. But then been this ongoing narrative about how we could rectify and rehabilitate the relationship.
There have been calls from China perhaps wanting yet further relief from some of the higher tariffs that they've been seeing.
Sorry, I've just pulled up the true social posts. And that's where the president's communicated. And he's basically saying that China is becoming very hostile. Let's get back to the conversation.
Well, your take, Brian, because in many ways, Andrew and defense tech as a whole is about the story of national security. And it is about U.S. versus China. Is that where you see the key risks?
That is one of the key conflicts. But if you look worldwide, I mean, you've got land wars in Europe. You've got the Red Sea still basically denied. Iran doesn't look like it's going to slow down anytime soon. China, beyond just the tensions with the U.S., has been constantly aggravating with the Philippines, constantly fighting over different islands and things like that.
So you're in this period of just massive geopolitical instability, and China is obviously the focus. But, I mean, they've had a very strategic view to this, right? Like they've blocked, they've probably put significant export controls on magnets for high-end semiconductors. How hard is that?
Rare earths, for example. We understand the breaking news of today as well as China's making it harder and harder for rare earths to be exported, not just to the U.S., but to Europe.
Yeah, and I think this is part of a long-term strategic plan they have had, right? They have used industrial policy beyond just military power to construct a world where they have a lot of leverage over the US and their allies. They drive dependence on these things. And it's a very sophisticated strategy that they're playing. I think this is something that Trump recognizes.
I think he is a very good negotiator. If he's saying these things, he understands what that means and how he is using that to position for maximum advantage. And so I think it's going to be a long run conflict with China and that's something we've just got to be prepared for.
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Chapter 3: How are geopolitical tensions impacting the defense industry?
It really looks about software. It looks how you adopt commercial manufacturing approaches. It's how you mass manufacture these capabilities. It's a very different focus. We're moving out of an era where we need to make relatively few of very, very expensive high-end things.
We're moving into an era where it's much more about how do we have things at scale that are smarter, that are more autonomous. And so this ability to attract the best talent into this really is coming from tech companies. It's coming from universities. It's people who otherwise would have jobs at all the tech company brand names you would know.
Part of that's compensation and liquidity and all the startup economics, but honestly, a lot more of it is just do they get to work on exciting problems with people they like on things that really matter, right?
And I think we present this opportunity to be very clear in our purpose and our mission, something that's going to be impactful, and they get to work on just amazing, cutting-edge things, right? Like making autonomous fighter jets and these reusable missiles. It's just an absolutely crazy thing to work on if you're a young engineer.
And that's what we've really found is the formula to get the best and brightest here is an exciting opportunity to actually contribute, give back, and build something incredible.
Brian, what a joy to have you sat with us, rolling with the networking news, and to be surrounded by all of this gear that you are driving innovation on. Brian Shrimp, we appreciate you, CEO of Anduril.
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