Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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News. I am here with Christian Saving, the CEO of Deutsche Bank. And before we get started, I want to say we booked this weeks ago. This was not necessarily booked to talk about the credit issues that are emerging to stave off any concerns that might be percolating out. But I do want to start there, this idea that this morning we're all focused on what are we missing?
Have things gotten too frothy? And have there been some issues of fraud or easy financing conditions? Do you see that anywhere in your book?
Good morning, Lisa. No, actually not. I mean, there is a lot of volatility in the market. We have seen that actually over the last weeks and months. Whenever something is supposed to be there, market is reacting. In our books, I can tell you, no, there is no deterioration. We have actually, we're very confident with our credit portfolio.
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Chapter 2: What is the current state of credit markets according to Deutsche Bank's CEO?
You would also see then a deterioration in the credit portfolio. But this is not a topic at all. Also, the whole week here in Washington, we haven't discussed the topic of recession at all. People are seeing growth. They're seeing employment. We talk a lot about what is happening in Germany and in Europe and how we can actually... grow competitiveness and the economic output.
So therefore, I wouldn't say that people are concerned. Of course, the geopolitical uncertainties still trade discussions. Other issues are also dominating the discussions. But I wouldn't say that there is a concern of the executives. We are watching the market, but there is nothing out where I would say people are concerned of a deterioration.
Given the fact that there are so many uncertainties still outstanding, are you surprised by how much optimism you've been hearing?
Yes, because we have talked for the last two years, given all the instabilities and uncertainties, when is actually a potential downturn in the markets coming. But, again, there is a lot of liquidity in the market. People ā we have seen it, for instance, in the second quarter when there was a stimulus program in Germany, how much liquidity came to Europe.
And you see that people really want to deploy their money. And therefore, I think you always have to see if there is a slight decrease in market prices, liquidity immediately comes in again. And therefore, I'm still optimistic, actually, that we are not talking about an overvaluation. We have some stretched valuations, no doubt. But I wouldn't say that the whole market is overvalued.
Let's talk about Germany. And European banks in general have been on a tear this year. And it's been driven by this idea that maybe there will be deregulation and maybe there will be actual fiscal spending to support the region.
Are you seeing any actual tangible signs of deregulation that you think could unleash, whether it's bank mergers, whether it's just more dynamism in the European banking sector?
Well, at least we have discussions. I mean, look, there are also some tangible items like the delay in the implementation of FRTB. We have also, in certain national buffers, when it comes to capital buffers, we have seen some movements of the national regulators, but also of the ECB. I think we have a constructive discussion with the ECB.
We are obviously talking about that we as European banks are demanding a level playing field. We see the developments here in the US. We see developments in the UK. And therefore, I think there are constructive discussions with our regulators. So there is some movement. Nevertheless, I think it's not only about regulation.
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Chapter 3: How does Deutsche Bank assess its credit portfolio amidst market volatility?
That is actually the topic which we need to push for, because at the end of the day, regulation is important, we need a level playing field, but the most important is the underlying growth, and therefore we need structural reforms in Europe.
Is that fiscal spending? Are you saying that you hope that they increase it more and that you're already seeing stimulative effects from that?
It's both. I personally think that the debt break alignment and adjustments which we have seen in Germany was the right step to do. But only doing this is not the right thing. Just increasing debt is not the right thing. What you need to do is in parallel work on structural reforms that it makes sense for corporates, private individuals to invest.
And that has all about to do with tackling the problem of energy prices in Germany, reducing bureaucracy, making sure that we are doing bigger investments into infrastructure, that the approvals for new investments are not taking that long as it did before. All that needs to be done. Aligning or just growing by stimulus program will not be sufficient. We need a pair of structural reforms.
And there I can see that actually the German government is taking the first steps.
What about businesses? How much are businesses in Germany moving away from places like China in terms of sources of business? How much are you seeing those fissures just in the companies that you work with?
Well, it's a result already of the COVID. I think after COVID, people really thought far more about diversification. We can see that German corporates, European corporates are very active in diversifying their supply chains, their production chains, and are also trying to invest more globally and less concentrated.
You can also see actually that business are confident actually to really reinvest in Germany You may have heard about the initiative which is running in Germany, the Made for Germany initiative, where more than 100 corporates are actually committed to invest over 700 billion euros in Germany over the next three years.
That shows actually that there is confidence in the business and at the same time that corporates are really redistributing their supply chains.
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Chapter 4: What factors are contributing to executive confidence in the market?
Look, I'm very happy with the development which we have taken. You were just talking about our share price. I think overall the bank has done very well over the last three, four years. The turnaround has been completed. And now it's really bringing the bank from a 10% ROTE to the next stage. And all levers for that are levers which are, so to say, within our own hands.
It's about a better capital management. It's about focused growth. It's further about investing into technology to get further efficiencies out. All that is in our hands. And as long as I have the chance to further increase my return on equity with, so to say, homework, that is always the preferred option.
So not interested in any local banks that are nearby that you might bring onto your hood?
As I said again, if you can focus on yourself, if you can improve your return on equity by applying this homework, honestly, it's always the first option.
There's also a big question here about artificial intelligence and how much it's going to alter the size of the staff, the way of doing business going forward. Have you seen any material changes or advantages from using and adopting artificial intelligence of late that have really materially improved profitability or decreased staff?
Well, we have many use cases, and you can apply that across the bank. And the interesting part is it actually applies to revenues, i.e. customer satisfaction, interaction with clients. It applies to efficiency and cost management. And also it applies to something which is very important for banks, control and regulatory compliance. And in each of these three areas, we have seen great use cases.
If you think about also our research department here, They started actually applying AI. If you think about the precision of research reports with the help of AI, got far better. Of course, that has an impact in terms of the speed and turnaround of research reports. Same actually in other areas when you think about operations. the way we can apply AI.
Now, the real important thing is now that we have a structural approach to all these use cases and that we have a clear priority. Where do we prioritize it first? Because you can imagine that everybody in this bank wants to apply now AI.
We need to have a clear priority of investments, but I think it will be a game changer going forward and it will be one of the key levers how to increase profitability of banks.
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