Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Podcasts, radio, news. There's no one better to talk to than Michael Roberts, CEO of HSBC, a bank and CEO of the corporate and institutional bank at the region. I'm just curious, given the fact that HSBC and Wellcome is such a central bank in both trade as well as in both China and in the West, how significant do you see this latest eruption of trade tensions between the U.S. and China?
Does this feel different?
Yeah, no, first of all, thank you for having me today. Look, I think the world has gotten used to a lot of these tariff changes, although certainly this newest round is yet another bit of unpredictability. I think companies have been now looking for different ways to manage their supply chains. We have a survey that we did right after Liberation Day, which I think still holds true today.
We surveyed 5,000 clients, so big survey, and they all said, One, all of these tariffs are going to cause a lot of issues. Prices will go up. Two, most of them now are looking at their supply chains. And the word, I think, supply chain has now come to be one of probably the most discussed terms in any C-suite today. And thirdly, they're going to change. And they may even change business models.
So this next round, this current round, I think just tells you that they're going to have to significantly change what that is. Because 100% tariffs, you can't absorb 100% tariffs. So... That means there will be a greater acceleration to where those new supply chains will be.
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Chapter 2: What insights does Michael Roberts share about HSBC's position in the banking industry?
The last 20% now is starting to seep into end buyer, the customer. I think most are saying we can't continue to absorb that much additional cost as the importer or the distributor. Therefore, it will start shifting more and more to the end buyer, the client. or the customer. So there's been, I think, a strong effort, however, to try to absorb as much as possible.
So I talked to a retailer, a high-fashion retailer, saying me and the distributor or the producer out of Asia and me as the distributor are absorbing as much as we possibly can. We understand we could do that, but it will come to an end soon.
John and Anne-Marie were talking to Fed Governor Chris Waller about the balance between inflation and the labor market. And there's this feeling that any kind of inflation is going to be short-lived and the effects on the labor market could potentially be pernicious.
Chapter 3: How are trade tensions between the U.S. and China affecting global banking?
Are you seeing that companies, instead of raising prices, laying off workers or trying to revert to artificial intelligence to bridge the gaps? Absolutely.
Not yet. However, there is a lot of cost pressures. I think there's a delay in a lot of investments. I mean, that's the flip side of that because I do think people want predictability. The companies need to understand where they're going to put down a lot of capital, that that capital is going to produce good returns because more predictability.
I've seen slowing of hiring but not real firing today. And so that's kind of, again, the flip side of that coin. But really, it's the capital and the investments that you're starting to see slow down quite a lot.
Meanwhile, we've heard a lot here at the meetings in Washington, D.C. about a number of themes, AI, which we'll get to in a second, but also this question around credit froth and an AI-related bubble. How much are you getting concerned, akin to what J.P. Morgan's been talking about, of a real turn in the credit cycle or some sort of later innings that give you pause and make you more cautious?
Yeah, look, I do think this is not the first instance of what is inventory financing fraud, which is essentially selling or using the same bit of inventory to finance multiple times. We've seen that in Europe a couple times as well in the last, say, nine months. So I am more concerned. And it's something that we're very focused on.
So, in fact, we're using technology we developed in our trade business and using it throughout all of our lending platforms now to try to go through and be very specific that everything we finance is good collateral. It doesn't have multiple liens on top of it, which is really what happened at First Brands. It's tough to do. And I think, you know, the fraudsters are getting better at it.
So we're going to have to respond to being much better on due diligence. We were not involved, obviously, directly in First Brand, so don't know how much due diligence was done, but I think these type of financing arrangements are going to require much more due diligence, much greater technology, much more specific understanding of exactly what you're financing.
The other aspect has been just sort of how much AI has actually boosted productivity, boosted profitability versus been a real cost center for the most part. Ken Griffin came out of Citadel saying that he's not seeing evidence that AI programs can really make an edge in financial markets.
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Chapter 4: What strategies are companies implementing to manage supply chain challenges?
I know that HSBC has been big in quantum computing and has this test. Are you seeing real gains? Are you actually deploying quantitative strategies from quantitative computing on your trading floors?
Yeah, so just for those who don't know, we had a partnership, still do, with IBM. We developed quantum computing really for financial markets, focusing on the bond market. And we used both quantum computing and more traditional computing, brought them together, changed the way we looked at data.
There's this thing called representation data that we actually flipped into more of a quantum computing type of mode. That led to a 34% improvement in our ability to predict a trade. So if you were going to make a trade, we get to understand that trade 34% better to see the matching between buyer and seller is really what it comes down to. So that was very effective. It's an initial study.
We did, however, tested on multiple quantum computing machines. We did all the statistical analysis. So we really do think there's something there. It can be used for any traded asset, so any asset class. I think the power that that brings is going to give an edge. I don't know how it wouldn't give an edge.
But I think it'll be once we roll it out and others roll it out, there'll be quick adoption by, I think, the industry. I mean, this is the same industry that tries to reduce latency to its smallest possible amount. So I do think technology does bring a substantial edge.
Do you think it's going to replace traders?
That I don't know. I mean, I think there'll always be humans involved, but I think it'll help traders quite a lot. And I think it'll change really the way traders think about it. Because when you have that much compute power and you could really use it, I think today, you know, we use a lot AI, as you said, through algorithmic trading.
This will just be one more substantial boost to the power of algorithmic trading that we see today. So will there be less traders? Don't know. But are they going to have powerful machines? Definitely so.
The other theme here, and this is something that comes up in pretty much every conversation, is the debasement of the dollar and this question of how much the dollar is losing its heft as a reserve currency. Internationally, do you see any signs that people truly are moving away from the greenback?
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