Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Turning overseas now, where Ukraine was hit overnight by a barrage of Russian drones igniting a fire at an energy facility in the Odessa region that had emergency workers racing to the scene. A drone from that attack crashing into Poland. Poland, an EU and NATO member, claiming the crash was a provocation from Russia.
That coming the same day that NATO military chiefs met remotely as we await more details for a potential trilateral meeting between Presidents Trump, Putin and Zelensky. For more, we want to bring in Leon Panetta, former U.S. Secretary of Defense and former director of the CIA. Thank you for joining us, Director Panetta.
We want to start tonight with this whole question of security guarantees, which has been the main and driving topic of Ukraine this week since the meeting on Monday at the White House between President Trump and European leaders. To your view, what do security guarantees need to look like to...
essentially prevent a repeat of what happened in 1994 with the Budapest Memorandum that really left Ukraine over the long run short of an adequate defense against a potential Russian invasion? Well, the primary point that needs to be made with these security assurances is that the United States and our European allies, particularly those that are part of NATO, will in fact make clear
that they will come to the assistance of Ukraine if Russia should attack in the future. And so Europe has indicated that they're prepared to move in that direction. I think the president indicated that he was prepared to support security clearances.
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Chapter 2: What recent events have escalated tensions in the Russia/Ukraine conflict?
That's pretty good judgment on the part of the American people. That's the reality, is that it's very difficult to... really try to find a way to get Putin to negotiate seriously. Right now, I think he's largely playing for time. He's continuing the war. He's refused to agree to any kind of ceasefire. He even talked about the need to eliminate the root causes of the war.
Well, the root cause of the war was that Russia invaded Ukraine on the basis that it is a part of Russia and not a sovereign democracy on its own. So he basically is saying he wants to win. I think it's very important for President Trump to make very clear to Putin that he wants him to participate in this trilateral or meeting with Zelensky.
And if it doesn't happen, I think the president really does have to He's got to come back and hold tough with Putin by implementing sanctions, by providing weapons, and by making very clear to Vladimir Putin that he cannot win this war. That is going to be very important to our ability to negotiate. Leon Panetta, former U.S.
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