Bloomberg Talks
Terrapower's Chris Levesque & Utah Governor Spencer Cox Talk Nuclear Power
25 Aug 2025
Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Bloomberg Audio Studios. Podcasts. Radio. News. There, of course, remains a massive need for electricity, electric power, renewable power, dare I say, as data centers sprout up out of the earth like weeds in this country. Enter Governor Spencer Cox's Operation Gigawatt.
If you were with us a couple of months ago, you've actually heard about this project that aims to create a consortium and an ecosystem that That will eventually bring more advanced nuclear power to states like Utah and other states throughout the West. Operation Gigawatt to identify and assess sites for a potential advanced nuclear plant.
They want to have that cited and chosen by the end of this year, by the end of 2025. So construction can begin in the year ahead. You heard our conversation with Governor Cox and the CEO of Valor Atomics. And we have a different individual from that future ecosystem who is with us today alongside the governor. First, let's introduce Spencer Cox, the governor of Utah.
It's great to see you again, sir. Welcome back to Bloomberg TV and radio. And Chris Levesque is with us as well, the CEO of TerraPower, which is working on an advanced nuclear reactor that would be sited in Utah. Gentlemen, I'd like to ask you both about how all this is going to work. And Governor, why we're in fact adding another name to this list.
What does this mean today to reaching that new level of power in Utah?
Well, you set the table very well. Operation Gigawatt is about doubling the energy production in the state of Utah, something that we need. If you care about economic progress in our country, if you care about national security, and if you care about just prosperity in general, and the environment, if you care about the environment, you have to believe in nuclear power, and we do.
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Chapter 2: What is the purpose of Operation Gigawatt in Utah?
had fallen behind in the last few years. China and Russia have many more new builds than us. And with leadership from folks like Governor Cox, we're now prioritizing advanced nuclear energy. And it is very important for us to move to new technologies like the Natrium reactor because they will be cheaper and safer than today's plants. Today's plants are quite safe.
But if we look at a massive upscale, it's really important for us to move to the new technologies. China and Russia certainly are. The natrium reactor is still a fission reactor. We break uranium atoms to release a lot of heat and boil water to make steam and drive turbines to make electricity the old-fashioned way.
But by cooling the reactor with liquid sodium, it allows us to have a low-pressure plant, which is going to be safer. It's going to require much less steel and concrete. Another really important feature of the reactor is that we have built-in energy storage. And this is going to be really important in the Mountain West, where you do have quite a bit of renewables that you have to balance out.
And built-in storage allows us to boost the energy output of the Natrium reactor throughout the day as the wind and the sun come and go, which is a limitation of renewables. So Natrium is a great balance to that. We're so excited to announce with the state of Utah and with flagship companies today, a memorandum of understanding to examine Utah sites for Natrium deployments.
So we'll be looking at multiple sites in Utah for their potential to host a Natrium reactor. As Governor Cox mentioned, we're already in the state of Wyoming building our first reactor there. So we're very happy to be in the Mountain West.
All right, Chris. Well, I mean, that's a heck of an elevator pitch. And Governor, we're talking about some pretty esoteric technology here using gravity and thermal convection to enable passive cooling in this Natrium reactor. Last time you were on with us, Governor, you talked about a whole different approach to these small size micro scale reactors.
Do you understand you're becoming an expert on nuclear science or are you just calling the smart guys to do the work?
Well, a little bit of both for sure. In fact, just last week I was at MIT with one of the nuclear physicists there having these very conversations. And that's the thing. We're betting on all of these technologies. And truly, as Chris mentioned, the United States did lead the world when it comes to nuclear technology. And then we made a very bad decision.
We decided basically since 1975, the year I was born, that we weren't going to bet on nuclear. The rest of the world has moved ahead of us. And that's a huge mistake right now as we are in an energy arms race. You mentioned the data centers and AI arms race. And we have to win. We can't lose this one. But we don't have to compromise on safety either. We can do both of those things.
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Chapter 3: How does Governor Cox envision the future of energy in Utah?
There is an abundance of energy out there. We're the ones making decisions to hold that back. Those decisions are now changing in a bipartisan way, and I'm so happy to see it. I'm so happy to hear blue state governors that are talking about energy development again in ways that they haven't in the past. Let's not make these false choices. Let's work on the solar side.
Let's work on the nuclear side, and let's get it done.
Well, that's a really interesting answer. I guess these grants, $62 million worth, are a little more than a year old. This goes back to May of 24. Would you ask for these grants to be restored? And what does it mean for people paying their bills each month?
Well, look, again, we'll look at those grants and what each one of those was for. I'm going through that review process right now. We do know that there was money that was granted that is going to be spent on things that aren't going to help in the long term.
And if we can divert that money in a way that will get us a better product, that will get us more, that will, again, help to lower prices, that's all I care about right now. I think it's a mistake to get in these fights where we're denigrating one technology over the other. We should, again, be trying to lift all of these technologies because they do all play a role.
Certainly, solar is going to play a role in Utah. It is right now and it will continue in the future, but it can't be the only role. We had one administration, before that was trying to stop us from using the technologies that we have that exist now with coal and natural gas. That was a terrible mistake.
I want to make sure we don't swing the pendulum too far and start tearing down other technologies that are going to help us well into the future.
I hear you. Well, I don't know who you're going to show up with next, Governor, but I really appreciate the conversation. Spencer Cox, the Republican governor of Utah. Chris Levesque, president and CEO of a company called Terra Power. Check it out. These new reactors they're working on might help to answer some of the questions that we've been asking about power in the United States.
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