Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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This is Bloomberg Tech coming up. Intel plunges after the chipmaker warned it's struggling with manufacturing problems. China's largest tech firms get an initial green light from Beijing to start preparing orders for Nvidia's H200 AI chips. And after years of drama, it comes to an end as TikTok and its Chinese parent ByteDance close a deal to operate in the U.S.
Let's look right now, though, at U.S. markets as we close up this week, a volatile trading week, to say the very least, consumed by geopolitics to start. And we end with a little bit of green on our screens, the Nasdaq 100. We're up five tenths of a percent, six tenths percent.
You can see the clawback that happened post Davos speech and post President Trump really taking his line of sight away from Greenland by force, at least. But Ed, it's all about the chip stocks today and you're digging into them.
So Intel is down a lot, and it's because of a sales outlook for the current period that at the midpoint was below investor expectations, on track for its biggest drop since August of 2022. But remember, this was a stock that just in the few weeks we've had of 2026 was up 47% as of yesterday's close. The problems are in supply, but specifically in execution.
Let's get to Bloomberg's Chips Reporter. ian king and ian you and i spoke with intel's ceo lip bhutan on the telephone he was very clear that actually when they say there are supply issues a lot of this was how intel tried to manage it they have yield and they have production problems explain that to us yeah so there's a couple of things here the first was that they basically
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Chapter 2: What manufacturing struggles is Intel facing that led to a drop in shares?
to prepare their orders, to tell them how much they want to buy from NVIDIA, and then they're going to make decisions about when exactly this is going to happen. It's going to come with some caveats. They do still want to build up the domestic industry.
They want these companies to also purchase from some of the domestic players, which include Huawei Technologies and CameraCon, as we've talked about in the show a few times before. But it looks like they're going to be able to go ahead with those H200s.
Chapter 3: How are China's tech firms preparing for Nvidia's H200 AI chips?
Yeah, those caveats also include restrictions, right? On both sides of this negotiation, there is agreement that the Chinese officials that we're hearing from talking about there will not be access when it comes to sensitive industries, things like that. Just break that down, Peter. Yeah, they're concerned. They've said this before with the H20 chips and now the H200 chips.
They're concerned they don't want NVIDIA's chips going into sensitive areas like the military, like state-owned enterprises or government agencies for that case. So the market's going to be narrower than what it would be otherwise. But Nvidia, again, used to sell a lot of chips into this market, used to be very, very important.
Chapter 4: What does TikTok's deal with Oracle mean for its US operations?
Jensen Huang has talked about how important it is, and they know that there's demand there for these chips, so he'd like to get back in. And I think this is not, the H200s are not the end of the game here. We know that some people in the Trump administration, including David Sachs, have advocated for selling even more NVIDIA chips into China.
And so we think that if this is going to move ahead, it's more symbolic of what the broader potential is in China for NVIDIA if they can make this happen. Bloomberg's Peter Aylstrom, thank you very much. Let's get more on that story. Joanne Feeney, Partner and Portfolio Manager at Advisors Capital Management, long-time coverage of the chip industry.
Now, on the buy side of the table, Joanne, you yourself own some NVIDIA. I feel like we've discussed different shades of this story many times over on this program with you. But at this point, at this juncture, and based on the reporting that Peter just gave us, Do you start to model in some upside for NVIDIA in the China market and thus think about your positioning on that stock?
Yeah, clearly it's a good sign, right? And it's been long in coming. But the size of the market opportunity is still hard to define. Clearly, China wants to encourage its own semiconductor industry to catch up to some degree to NVIDIA. But, you know, it's a good sign. It's incrementally positive. We're not really going to model it in at this point because it's hard to know how large it could be.
Nevertheless, a positive sign opening up that market and also just to, you know, continue to make sure, as Jensen Wang has put it, that AI applications are built on the U.S. technology stack primarily. And because we have the leading chips, that's appropriate.
As Jensen Wong has put it, it's a $50 billion per year market opportunity if they can go back to China, which is currently a net zero assumption. That last bit you said, I really want the Joanne Feeney take on this.
In the White House, the consideration was if we don't sell any technology deprecated or otherwise into China, then there will be a vacuum, which the Chinese domestic players will occupy. But there is still this national security and competition standpoint. Where do you stand on that?
Yeah, I'm not a military expert, Ed, so I'm going to refrain from talking really about how this could change the military competitive situation. If we don't sell these chips, if NVIDIA doesn't get to sell these chips, China will develop them. And they've worked around the ā less capability of their own chips by redesigning inside the racks to try to save energy, to try to boost throughput.
And they'll continue to do that. And they'll do that in AI applications. They're going to do that in military applications, whether or not they can use those NVIDIA chips there. So I think that the opportunity for us to have more sort of input and potential control over the future of this AI technology is really a worthwhile goal.
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Chapter 5: What insights are analysts providing about Intel's future in manufacturing?
But with their outlook showing that they've sold out of their server CPUs, they're going to have a weak quarter this quarter. The yields are lower than they would like. And people look at that gross margin, and they see it as a really important signal of how much progress they're making in a complex manufacturing process.
And clearly, they're not making as much progress as investors would like and as the company would like. And so I think it's a particularly risky bet. We have not owned Intel for clients. We think that the opportunity cost is just too high. You can own Broadcom, which we've owned for 11 years for clients. You can own NVIDIA, which we've owned for clients since 2022.
These are clearly market leaders, and they've ironed out the design challenges and through their partners like TSMC, the manufacturing challenges. And so they're delivering. And Intel faces now a chicken and an egg problem on the 14A process.
Go there on the foundry side, therefore, Joanne, because this signals that maybe, well, that side of the equation still needs more than just the government buying in to think that they're going to solidify any partners here in building and manufacturing for them.
Yeah, Intel's tried to enter the Foundry world. We've talked in the past about how challenging that is to move from producing your own chips to move to producing others. You need the design libraries and all that, but they fundamentally need the manufacturing process.
And the problem that they face right now is that on the one hand, they're saying, hey, we don't want to invest the CapEx to build up this capacity until we have customers locked in. But customers aren't going to lock in unless they know they have a manufacturing process that works and that can deliver. Because you're designing a product. You're designing it years out.
And you have to know the supply will be there if you commit to a certain manufacturing partner. So it's a real chicken and egg problem. They might have to bet on making it happen and being able to deliver the customers by getting that process up and running and showing that they can get yield up in volume, even in advance of locking down some customers.
So it's almost a bet the company kind of problem. And that's why, again, as an investor... We're not enthusiastic about Intel. The risk is simply too high. We don't find the current valuation compelling given that risk. We think there are better places to be, and so we're going to stick with where we are, for example.
And AMD, by the way, that recent result pretty clearly indicated that AMD is continuing to gain share against Intel, likely both in server CPU and in PC CPU.
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Chapter 6: How is Intel's sales outlook impacting investor confidence?
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So Tesla has begun offering robotaxi rides in a limited number of vehicles in Austin, with no human safety driver behind the wheel. In a post on X, CEO Elon Musk went even further, suggesting that cracking real-world self-driving technology could ultimately lead to artificial general intelligence. Tell us really unpack what this moment means for the future of autonomous technology.
We're joined by Regina Klielau, managing director of Populous. Regina brings more than a decade of hands-on experience in transportation and mobility. Look, you hold a PhD in transportation and energy systems from MIT. We should listen to you. Is this a big feat?
This is definitely a significant development. It's another major player in the autonomous vehicle space. and it shows more confidence in the technology, but it's still pretty limited, and it's definitely an experiment.
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Chapter 7: What challenges do Chinese companies face in acquiring AI chips?
On the social media, President Trump thanked the Chinese leader Xi Jinping for, quote, working with us. Let's discuss the details. Bloomberg social media reporter Alexandra Levine has been following what has been quite the journey. So the players involved talk us through who's going to have the ownership and how that ownership changes what U.S. TikTok looks like.
So we know that the folks that are ultimately going to be involved are going to be the three managing investors, Silverlake, MGX, and Oracle, which already has this longstanding relationship with TikTok. And then there are a combination of other investors that have been longtime ByteDance affiliates.
I think that the most remarkable piece of this is just the fact that it spanned three presidencies, more than half a decade. It's been almost seven years since all of this started. And 200 million people, which is more than half the country, are now on the platform. And it has grown so considerably since all of this has been happening.
I think it's also important to kind of get to know some of the people behind this new entity. They have a leader who was a relatively high level executive at the larger entity. Tell us about him.
Yeah, so the new CEO of this new TikTok venture is Adam Presser. Adam Presser has been viewed as a contender for the top job. He's been viewed as a very influential insider for many years. He has an entertainment background, not a political background, but he came from Warner Media and he joined TikTok in 2022 and was since then really, really close to Shochu.
reporting directly into to show who has been the ceo he's taken increasing responsibility over the last few years and he's really like just below the top of by dance global and so this was a very obvious choice and he has also been leading tiktok u.s data security it's not a protection arm that is now basically being adapted into this new joint venture uh you know over the last year or so
Bloomberg's Alex Levine with the reporting. Thank you very much. Now, coming up, the age of unicorns is behind us as the number of decahorns and hecticorns grows. Peter Singlehurst of Bailey Gifford joins us to talk about skyrocketing private valuations. That's next. This is Bloomberg Tech. Companies, they're staying private for longer. Valuations are hitting new highs.
The appetite to invest in private growth equity is expanding. Just think about some of these names. SpaceX, Databricks, Anduril. Peter Singlehurst is head of private companies at Bailey Gifford, which is an investor in all three of those really hot, can we even call them startups anymore? He joins us now. Peter, Bailey Gifford's been out this long time, since 2012, allocating billions.
Is this sustainable? This extent that companies are staying private for longer and will the wall of money still come in? I think what we've seen is a structural change in how companies capitalize themselves. This is driven by some very enduring factors, such as regulation. Sarbanes-Oxley made it more difficult to be public, and aspects of the Jobs Act made it easier to stay private.
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