Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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This is Bloomberg Tech coming up. Meta shares rise and reports that the social media giant is planning big layoffs and an expanded compute deal with Nebius. Plus, OpenAI is in advanced discussions to form a joint venture with private equity firms to boost enterprise adoption of its AI software. and all eyes on NVIDIA GTC.
Kicking off today, we'll discuss what investors expect from the Global AI Conference. But we return to a global conflict that has markets once again on edge. Oil prices actually come down a little bit as we maybe see some alleviation of the straight-over moves and the supply blockage there, and indeed maybe more oil coming into the market. It's pushing up. Stocks are up 1.2% on the NASDAQ 100.
We've got risk assets basically more in demand in this current environment we find ourselves on. this Monday. Bitcoin, two and a half percent high, but actually above that 73,000 level. In fact, we're at the highest level for Bitcoin in six weeks, Ed. What are you looking at? Meta is our top story, and there are two pieces of news moving the shares.
First, Reuters reporting that Meta considers layoffs of up to 20%, more than 20%, to offset AI spending. And then there is a $27 billion deal with Neocloud, Nebius, over a five-year period. Both seem to be pushing shares higher. Nebius certainly jumping on that deal. Let's get out to Bloomberg's Kurt Wagner. covers meta. And Kurt, let's start with the report on layoffs, right?
That's a big potential number, 20% that Reuters is saying, particularly when you consider that the layoffs have already happened and taken place.
Yeah, I mean, I believe Meta had something like 79,000 employees at the end of last year. So we're talking more than 15,000 potential jobs at stake here if they do indeed go as high as 20%. It does feel very high, but I can say, having spoken with people who work at the company over the last couple weeks, this has been something that's been kind of making the rounds among employees.
A lot of concern that all of this spending on AI is going to ultimately lead to job cuts. So even if it is not a 20% layoff, there is a lot of sort of anxiety that there will be some type of cuts or restructuring to basically afford all of these big AI deals that the company's been announcing.
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Chapter 2: What recent developments have influenced Meta's stock price?
And so part of it could be a productivity thing. They're not only trying to save money on these deals we talked about, but to your point, Caroline, they have something else that's doing some of the work that the employees are doing. used to do, so maybe they don't need quite as much headcount for that.
The second piece of news is a deal with Nebius. What do we need to know?
There is going to be a $12 billion commitment from Meta to buy Compute from Nebius. There is potential for $15 billion more. Nebius is building some clusters that they're going to be selling to third-party clients. But if there is excess capacity there, Meta has agreed to acquire it, essentially giving them a little bit of a safety net. So in total, this could be up to $27 billion.
You know, Ed, we've talked about the NVIDIA deal, AMD, now Nebius. Meta is outspending aggressively on AI infrastructure. They're pretty much taking it from anyone they can get it from. And this is just, again, a sign of how much Mark Zuckerberg believes in this AI half that they're on. They're certainly trying to front load as much of that capacity as possible.
And trying to take on the competition, reverse Kurt Wagner. Thank you very much indeed. Let's talk about that competition. OpenAI is in advanced discussions to form a joint venture ed with private equity firms like TPG, Bain Capital. It's going to be focusing on a bolstering adoption of its AI software across the portfolio companies. Look, we kind of saw this start to articulate itself earlier.
with Thrive Holdings and the deal that we saw OpenAI and helping certain companies basically get on the AI train that perhaps wasn't as adopting as quickly as could be. But Anthropic's been talking to PE companies. What do we know?
Yeah, in OpenAI's case, the overarching goal is to make a sales and distribution org have a way of going to all kinds of enterprises and actually get them to buy stuff. In the first instance, the private equity firms that you mentioned, they have a portfolio of companies under the PE umbrella that they can basically say, hey, this would make you a lot better. You guys should do deals with OpenAI.
The numbers that we reported are huge.
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Chapter 3: How is the global conflict affecting market dynamics?
$10 billion pre-money valuation with the private equity firms injecting $4 billion. But for OpenAI, that is off balance sheet capital, which for a company that has a sort of insatiable capital appetite, kind of interesting. Yeah, it is interesting. And we just see this hunger to satisfy enterprise needs as well as consumer needs at this moment. But all of this comes back to a need for compute.
And we can talk about that a little bit more at the moment, Ed, because two key Democratic lawmakers, in fact, have been warning that the Trump administration's first approval for exports of NVIDIA's H200 AI chips to China, well, they risk harming U.S. national security. Call for bipartisan legislation to actually keep advanced American technology out of Chinese hands.
Bloomberg's senior tech editor, Mike Shepard, joins us for more. So talk to us about the names we need to know in this. There are two key names here, really, Caro. It's Elizabeth Warren, the senator from Massachusetts, and Gregory Meeks, the representative from New York. And they are the top Democrats on the committees that oversee U.S. export control programs.
And there are concerns about allowing China to buy these H200 chips from NVIDIA. It's not new, but what's new here is that they actually got a look at the paperwork itself.
And they can't go into the details of what they saw owing to disclosure restrictions, but what they would have seen in there possibly would include potential buyers, the numbers of chips, and what safeguards might be in place under the license to prevent unauthorized use. And they emerged from that review of this license saying,
with even greater concerns and further calls for steps to prevent China from gaining access to American technology and using it improperly.
And NVIDIA has pushed back on this, saying that critics of the Trump administration's move to allow these H200 sales simply allows America's competitors abroad, and without saying so, pointing toward Huawei, which is a company that they would like to be able to compete against in the Chinese market.
Those steps that Senator Warren and Representative Meeks are calling for is a bipartisan piece of legislation to block China on the face of it. What does that look like, Shep? And is there real momentum behind such a thing? Well, the legislation would essentially give lawmakers a greater say in the export control process, akin to what they have over arms sales right now.
Typically, administrations have to go to Congress for any foreign arms sales, say to Taiwan. To get, you know, in essence, a mother may I on this. And they would like to have that authority over chip sales right now. That is run by the Commerce Department's Bureau of Industry and Security in conjunction largely with the White House and as well the State Department, which get a say, too.
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Chapter 4: What are the implications of Meta's potential layoffs?
bill, which has been introduced in the House. We're still waiting a companion version in the Senate. Elizabeth Warren has said she would support something like that. There does seem to be bipartisan interest in it. And yet for Republican lawmakers to go against the administration on any piece of legislation,
heading into an election year, midterm election year, where they are depending on access to not only funding, but endorsements from the president and his allies. It is very tricky, and it may come down to whether this gets attached, Ed, to a key piece of must-pass legislation, such as one of the defense bills that will move later this year. Bloomberg's Michael Shepherd, thank you very much.
The real market focus for NVIDIA right now, GTC, and the conference comes on the heels of banner earnings that still failed to impress some investors. So what does the chipmaker have to do to reverse a difficult year, at least for the start? Let's discuss with Margi Patel, head of the capital allocation team at All Spring Global Investments, $628 billion in assets under management.
And you and I and Cara have talked about NVIDIA a lot when you've been on the program. In a really simple breakdown of the story, the stock has kind of traded sideways for about six months now. And a lot of the work behind the stock was this $500 billion figure in data center sales, just Blackwell and Rubin through the end of this calendar year.
And for many, it seems like that number is going to have to grow significantly or Jensen's going to have to say something about it to move the needle this week.
Mm-hmm.
Well, I think that just to confirm what we already know, what he's already said about the growth path, I think should be sufficient. I think it was really a bigger thing that really took a lot of the mega stocks down last fall and some started to recover. NVIDIA hasn't. But, you know, if you look at NVIDIA right now, it's at a price earnings ratio of 22 times earnings.
And that's really puts an average for the whole S&P, whereas it has margins and growth rates of revenues and cash flow materially higher than that. So I think whatever he says to confirm the outlook that we pretty much know should be sufficient. I think it's really these other things.
I think some people, I think, were maybe caught the wrong way in being in software and being in private credit relating to software and just looking to take some chips off the table. So NVIDIA is a very easy liquid target to, say, reduce exposure. But I think that what NVIDIA says will be good enough to keep the stock to keep on moving higher, really.
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Chapter 5: How is OpenAI planning to enhance enterprise AI adoption?
But in a market that's expanding, I think there's really room for the leading companies to continue to have these very, very rapid growth rates. A market that's expanding because people want to see productivity gains. And the flip side of productivity is that we're losing labor. This news reporting that maybe Meta is the latest company to start making waves of layoffs.
Margie, is that something you just have to brace yourself for in this market? Well, again, that's what we've seen. We've seen technology often cause companies to reduce their employment. And what happens is by using technology, these companies' productivity, their workers go up, and then you increase demand.
So we've never had a permanent erosion, a Luddite approach to creating ever greater demand. people losing their jobs because of technology. I don't think that'll be the case here.
And I think in the case of NVIDIA, I don't own NVIDIA, but really, it's just here are one of many companies that expanded their hiring after COVID and finally said, we really don't need all these people to be productive. And it's actually very positive to say we're looking at where our marginal costs are. Can we reduce those costs and better invest our capital.
So, I think that's really actually positive. I hate to be positive about everything, but it's hard to be negative about technology advancing, even in the case of a company that has big layoffs. Margie, this week at GTC, there will be a view of the world through Jensen Wang's eyes on supply chains. He will get asked about the war in Iran. He will get asked about the memory chip crunch.
Is any of that useful to you at a higher level in what he has to say? Well, I think the memory crunch is real. And the memory sector is a sector that actually historically has been extremely cyclical. There's big demand. The companies expand capacity. Prices come down. Earnings come down. And the stock price comes down. Then they start to cycle over again.
But it looks as if there's a rather long-term shortage of memory chips. That's why prices for memory chips have been relatively high. And new supply coming on doesn't look as if it's really going to do much damage. to the prices or to saturate that demand. So, we think the memory side is still quite positive. Margie Patel, it's so good catching up with you. Thanks for the time today.
All Spring Global Investments. Now, let's talk about what Wall Street banks are up to because being led by JP Morgan, they've kicked off a $5.75 billion cross-border leveraged loan sale to help finance the buyout of video game maker Electronic Arts, one of the largest transactions of its kind, in fact.
Now, EA is being acquired by a consortium led by private equity firm Silver Lake Management, Saudi Arabia's public investment fund, and Affinity Partners, which is managed by President Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner. The deal values a video game company at about $55 billion.
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Chapter 6: What is the significance of Nvidia's chip sales to China?
The recruits will help train the company's chatbot, Grok, on financial strategy as it joins rivals pushing software for investing professionals. Fascinating.
And look, let's just stick, Ed, with XAI because Senator Elizabeth Warren has been busy sending a letter to Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth demanding information about the Pentagon's reported decision to give XAI access to classified networks. Now, Warren calls Grog a, quote, controversial AI model and says it has provided disturbing outputs for users, according to the letter.
And coming up, companies are on high alert from potential Iranian cyber attacks. We speak with Ali Mellon as Forrester analyst focusing on cyber threats. That's next. This is Bloomberg Tech. As the war in Iran enters its third week, companies are on high alert for potential cyber threats.
Look, medical tech maker Stryker says its operations remain disrupted after a cyber attack hit order processing, manufacturing, even shipping. Now, a pro-Iranian group known as Handala has claimed responsibility, but Stryker and cybersecurity firms have not confirmed the hacker's identity. For more on the cyber threats facing global enterprises, please say we're joined by Ali Menon.
Forrester analyst covering security operations and AI, and she's got this great new book out, Code War, How Nations Hack, Spy, and Shape the Digital Battlefield. And here is Iran trying to do just that, Ali. But from your perspective, when do we get a definitive answer that it was indeed who claims to have done the attack?
We really need technical indicators. That's what we're looking for here. And unfortunately, that could take weeks to months depending on how the recovery process goes. It's ultimately the decision of the cybersecurity team that is working with Stryker to come out with that information. And that process typically does take weeks or even months.
How much should industries, institutions, individuals be worrying about the Iranian threat right now? They should actively be preparing their systems and they should be doing that whether they are large enterprises or even smaller companies.
One of the things that we've seen over the past several years is that many of these attackers will target smaller companies that have access to larger companies as part of their customer base and use that as their vehicle to get into some of these larger companies. So it's something that everyone needs to be thinking about right now.
Ali, this is a war and there's human life involved. I don't mean to trivialize it in any sense or fashion. But in this environment, how much of a positive is it for the cybersecurity sector? If you try to look in aggregate about whether spending on cyber goes up or down, one would imagine that as a result of the conflict, it would go up.
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