Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Chapter 2: What is the impact of AI on Wall Street stocks?
real time. And I think that's what you're seeing is when you can create bespoke software on the fly, and that's today, what happens five years from now when these LLMs and these self-coding mechanisms are actually even more powerful by orders of magnitude? So anything digital, any digital asset, you must call to question as to what is its future.
But this knee-jerk of sell first, ask questions later, what questions are you now asking to decide where you can bottom pick, which ones aren't going to be disrupted? So I think it becomes, again, a very much a stock picker's market because there are, you have to understand the architecture of how some of the software is actually being built.
I would say things like point solutions that are in the small to mid cap space, very difficult to own because that kind of end market that they're addressing can easily get usurped by companies that are bigger or adjacent businesses. So it's very difficult to own some of those. I think companies that are larger cap, more platform-like companies, parts of those businesses are at risk.
Not the entire thing. We'll still have SaaS.
Chapter 3: How is the demand for electricity influencing energy investments?
It will just exist at a different margin structure, different growth rates than we are used to. How do you pick? I think you have to understand the differences between all the software. Security is not the same as enterprise software, not the same as mid and small cap point solutions. So you have to be almost very deliberate in what you're looking at and not just by the group.
Chapter 4: What are the latest earnings results from Lyft?
We've been zeroed in on this software story for so many days in a row now and earnings, of course, but we should discuss the stronger than expected U.S. jobs report. Payrolls in January rising by the most of more than a year. Unemployment falling unexpectedly. What does that signal for the tech sector? What do our audience need to understand about that?
So look, I think we're living in two separate regimes right now in that the tech sector is going through its own hiccups with understanding what AI will do to it. On the other hand, you have the hardware sector inside of tech, which is faring much better than software because they are the net beneficiaries of all of this AI and the infrastructure spending.
So how would I read the unemployment report and attach it to AI? I think today or over the next few weeks, they're kind of not connected to one another, and I wouldn't read anything into it for the tech sector.
that would suggest that we are still zeroed in on the capital expenditures numbers that will come from the hyperscalers and others, and that that will be the yardstick by which we judge continued growth, right, for the balance of this year? And how important a data set is that going to be for you this year, Ankur?
I think very much. I think besides the hyperscaler CapEx numbers, I think we have to look at demand. Token growth in the month of January was 25% growth month over month from December. If you annualize that, that means token growth for the year is going to be 14-fold what we saw last year.
14-fold token growth, and that is just a measure of the amount of intelligence that we are asking the system or AI to do for us. That is an incredible amount of demand that is being put into the system, and we will need an incredible amount of CapEx to support it. And I will remind everyone, we are in the very early innings of adoption of artificial intelligence.
And, you know, so that CapEx number actually is necessary and it doesn't really scare me because as we move forward two, three, four and five years, I do believe that our world is changing in such a dramatic way that we are going to need this CapEx.
Uncle Crawford of Alder, great to have you back on the program. Thank you very much. Now coming up, time to launch SpaceX meets XAI. Why AI may be key for the company's next launch. Bloomberg Intelligence just initiated coverage and we have it next. This is Bloomberg Tech.
SpaceX's acquisition of XAI has many wondering what the company's next chapter will look like. The profitable rocket maker is set to merge with the AI startup, which is what he calls burning billions as it races to compete with other AI players. All of this comes as SpaceX, that you're looking at now, is expected to IPO later this year. Today, DreamWang Intelligence
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Chapter 5: How are investors reacting to AI-related stock sell-offs?
With more guardrails as well, I might add.
Yeah, and that's where Grok so far has been kind of, I feel like they haven't really caught up in terms of implementing the right guardrails. And people feel skeptical about implementing them on the enterprise side. So there is work to be done on that front.
This is a big moment where Bloomberg Intelligence is initiating coverage, deep research of a big private entity that we think will go public, right, George? The data in the deck is so valuable. You're tracking the size of the Star Lake constellation. You're tracking launch cadence and then our forecasted financials.
Which of those are going to be most important now that SpaceX is hard pivoted to the moon from Mars? George, very quick.
Well, so I guess where I see the money really being generated from is the constellation, the satellite constellation around the around the Earth.
And that's going to bring broadband revenue and it's going to bring direct to sell revenue. The pivot to the moon and Mars, I think, is a little more about sort of marketing than it is about revenue generation. I'm all about revenue and profit generation.
George Ferguson, Mandeep Singh, Bloomberg Intelligence, coverage of SpaceX and XAI. Appreciate it a lot. There's a lot going on in the world of Elon Inc. Jimmy Barr, Tony Wu, co-founders of XAI, have announced they're leaving the company after less than three years. By my count, Caro, that means that half of the about dozen initial founders, which includes Elon Musk, have now gone.
And maybe that's to be expected when you see such a difference in the architecture of the business. Now it's subsumed into SpaceX. What does that mean in terms of the founding principles of this business? But is there any read through? Look, we're looking at their statements, their resignation posts that they actually put on X, of course.
What do you make of it, Ed, as someone who's so deeply within the Elon Musk space?
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Chapter 6: What challenges do traditional software companies face in the AI era?
One, of course, start with proven science. Number two, we're going to go build the world's most powerful laser. In fact, the laser we're going to build is a million times more powerful than the one they use over at Lawrence Livermore. It's 20 times more efficient and one-tenth the size. Then we're going to go build the world's first fusion fuel target manufacturing plant.
And then lastly, we're going to bring all those things together into a grid-scale 1.5 gigawatt power plant that we hope to bring online in the 2030s.
There's a lot there. There's a lot of we are going to with lasers like we broke the story about substrate, for example, which is also using x-rays in lithography that was born out of the national labs here in California. There's some interesting tangents there. That's all to say it sounds like you probably need $450 million to get started if you're going to pull all of this off.
What's the first priority?
Well, fusion energy is not a cheap endeavor, so yes, it will be capital intensive. That's why we're so happy to be starting off with such a great group of investors for our Series A. And if you think about it, commercialization really requires three things. First of all, you need proven science, so we've got that. Second is you need a great team.
For a team to go commercialize, you've got my co-founder, Annie, who's the lead designer of the experiment at Lawrence Livermore that achieved this huge milestone. My other co-founder, Mike Dunn, ran the program that designed the power plant based on that experiment. Then I'm bringing business experience to the domain as well.
You look at the team that we're building, which is a team that is designed to commercialize. The third thing you need is funding. That's why this funding announcement is such a big part of our story.
What's interesting is you hit while the iron is hot, so to speak, in terms of a need, an energy need. And it's coming from the very top. It's coming from the administration. Just listen to what a key administration official told us today.
Now we're facing this AI arms race with China. We need more power. We need energy addition. The way to have energy addition is to stop getting rid of the stuff that already works. And of course, that includes our fossil fuel baseload. In the PGM market, 70% of the power was coming from hydrocarbons during those storms.
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