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JTP: Jays Avoid Sweep, Orioles Preview, Kevin Pillar & Pride Night

05 Jun 2026

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Chapter 1: How did the Blue Jays manage to avoid a sweep against the Braves?

9.953 - 28.148 Blake Murphy

Of course, they can't get to Bryce Elder or Grant Holmes, but they get to Chris Sale and his 208 ERA and his sub one ERA at Truist Park. Of course, that's how it goes. The Blue Jays salvage a series managed to not get swept by the first place Atlanta Braves. They win seven to two.

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28.128 - 48.296 Blake Murphy

Yesterday, snaps a four-game losing streak, lets them return home for an extended home stretch, feeling a little bit better, probably not as good as they would like. Obviously, you rewind and the two losses at the end of the Orioles series, which, by the way, you'll have a chance to avenge this weekend because the Orioles are in town for three starting tonight.

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48.356 - 52.482 Blake Murphy

But you've got a nice little nine-game homestand here now. And...

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Chapter 2: What are the injury updates for the Blue Jays heading into the Orioles series?

52.462 - 73.025 Blake Murphy

Look, injury reinforcements aren't coming imminently as far as today goes. But Dylan Cease threw 70-plus pitches in a rehab assignment yesterday. Alejandro Kirk is going to do his second rehab game today. This is a tough homestand. The Orioles are playing really good baseball. The Phillies are playing really good baseball. And then it's the Yankees coming in next weekend.

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73.085 - 90.68 Blake Murphy

But you have a couple of off days sprinkled in there. Aaron Judge is going to miss at least four to six weeks after suffering a stress fracture in his rib. The Tampa Bay Rays have come back down to earth a little bit. The Blue Jays are far from those loftier goals right now, still eight back in the division, still not in a playoff spot.

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90.961 - 107.805 Blake Murphy

But despite the degree of difficulty of this upcoming nine-game homestand, You feel pretty good coming out of yesterday's win against Chris Sale and the Braves. Headed into 9 at home with actual off days in there for you to rest your bullpen and reset your rotation and maybe get a couple of guys back.

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108.286 - 129.622 Blake Murphy

Maybe it's just Friday and I'm feeling optimistic for those reasons, but pretty fun one yesterday. Over the course of today, we will get you set for... Blue Jays-Orioles, which is a three-set starting tonight at 7.07. Rob Long of Masson will join us a little later. Kevin Pillar will join us at 11 o'clock. We'll also talk to my pal Brock McGillis, my slow-pitch teammate.

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130.122 - 140.455 Blake Murphy

It's Pride Night at Rogers Center tonight, so we'll talk about that a little bit, and we'll, again, get you set for the rest of the series. Right now, though, we're joined by Zach Warden of Sportsnet and the Bird's Eye View podcast.

Chapter 3: What insights does Rob Long provide about the upcoming Orioles series?

140.475 - 141.717 Blake Murphy

Zach, what's up, buddy? How you doing?

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142.439 - 148.174 Rob Long

Morning, Blake. Doing well. Glad that we are able to come back here and talk about a Blue Jays bounce back win last night.

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148.194 - 171.785 Blake Murphy

Yeah, it was, you know, it was going to set the tone very differently for our first segment together if it was coming off of a sweep and trying to figure out how they're going to hit Brandon Young. of all people. Instead, they get to Chris Sale. So I'm exaggerating the degree to which this has happened all season a little bit, but the Paul Skeens game is very fond in the short-term memory here.

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172.025 - 192.157 Blake Murphy

Then they get to Chris Sale after... Grant Holmes and Bryce Elder are good pitchers having good seasons, but there does seem to be at least a small trend of the high stuff guys this Blue Jays team can get to. The more like kitchen sink pitchability type guys are the guys who have given them trouble. Have you felt that trend as well?

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192.317 - 198.366 Blake Murphy

And if so, is there anything to it or just kind of one of those noisy things in a baseball season?

199.038 - 223.813 Rob Long

yeah 100 it's kind of weird honestly you know it's kind of one of these things that was like an identity point for the the 2025 Blue Jays was getting to get starters you know I think back to the stretch like coming out of the all-star break where they faced the Giants and and the Yankees and I believe it was kind of the Phillies around that time as well and you know they consistently knock off great starters Tarek Skubal was in that stretch as well and this year you know as you mentioned it's this Chris Sale start last night it's that Paul Skeen start um

223.793 - 247.675 Rob Long

or sorry paul paul scheme started a couple weeks ago and for them to you know kind of find their way to to attack these pitchers and and rack up a ton of hits you know maybe it is certainly a little bit of of a noisy thing you know for them to you know not necessarily find their slug against uh against against sale last night but you know be able to string together a bunch of hits and be able to chase him um you know after 100 and some pitches in in less than six innings is is

247.655 - 259.992 Rob Long

is really impressive. And, you know, one thing that I was kind of looking at through, through the scheme start in the sale start was just kind of how pesky that they were with two strikes, you know, for, for sale last night at 16 at bats with two strikes and they get six hits with two strikes against schemes.

260.072 - 268.543 Rob Long

It was, it was seven hits with two strikes and just kind of like this thing that we saw the 2025 blue Jays that we just kind of haven't really seen this team do do this year in 2026.

Chapter 4: How did Kevin Pillar analyze the Blue Jays' performance against Chris Sale?

268.583 - 277.375 Rob Long

So I, you know, kind of look at the way that they were able to, to string together at bats and, you know, be, be a tough out with two strikes, I think has kind of been, you know, a huge difference,

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277.355 - 293.71 Rob Long

point for for when they are kind of facing these these high level aces and i'm not sure if it's something that about facing these guys that that has them lock in a little bit more what it is exactly but you know as you mentioned kind of off the top you know so some tough matchups coming up so if they're able to sustain that in the coming week here would be would be really big for them

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293.69 - 310.781 Blake Murphy

Yeah, and I guess Cam Schlittler is another name we can throw in there. They didn't put up a big number in terms of earned runs, but Schlittler's comments after the game certainly suggested some frustration. Andres Jimenez worked that 11-pitch plate appearance for a walk in that one. And big picture, the Blue Jays are dead last in the league in pitches seen per plate appearance.

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311.182 - 329.273 Blake Murphy

So they are a team that has been – If you're measuring aggression through how many pitches do you see, they're the most aggressive team in the league when it comes to that. So it is interesting when you get these glimpses of, like you said, a 2025 identity. Nathan Lucas getting back in the lineup and being at the top of the lineup. Maybe that's a guy who helps.

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329.533 - 351.576 Blake Murphy

You look ahead to next weekend when maybe you have Alejandro Kirk back. And, you know, Kirk's not going to come in and hit 25 home runs and solve your slug problem. But he's another guy who maybe helps you nudge back to, okay, we're not going to be the top 10 ISO slugging the top 10 home run team, but we can be annoying and get the pitch counts up and get into the weaker parts of teams bullpens.

351.596 - 364.436 Blake Murphy

Cause you look at the Braves and like, Chasing Chris Sale or Grant Holmes or Bryce Elder doesn't really do anything if you're facing 7-8-9 in their bullpen because Dylan Lee and Robert Suarez and Ryzel Iglesias just don't allow runs.

364.777 - 383.063 Blake Murphy

But if you can get into the Tyler Kinley parts of their bullpen, that was the most pitches Chris Sale's thrown all year, and it was only the third time this year he hasn't gotten out of the sixth inning. So by Chris Sale standards, you did a really good job. So yeah, I look ahead to, you know, and this is a couple series ahead, but you get Kirk back, you have Nathan Lucas back.

383.043 - 399.432 Blake Murphy

You never want like Ernie Clement to be in there and be like, I'm going to take four or five pitches. That's too far away from who he is. But maybe there is something to that, Zach, that they can find at least in parts of the order, a little bit more of that 2025 style of grinding it out.

400.441 - 411.554 Rob Long

Yeah, 100%. I mean, last year, you know, we saw it through the postseason. We saw it through the summer when they really got it going. It was just, as you kind of mentioned, that frustration that they put on opposing starting pitching and really just kind of pitching in general.

Chapter 5: What does Brock McGillis say about the significance of Pride Night at Rogers Centre?

421.526 - 438.831 Rob Long

And, you know, kind of one of those tip your cap games. And, you know, you kind of listen to... to what Chris Sale had to say after the game last night too, and it was kind of similar to what they said from, or what Cam Schlittler said, kind of where he was talking about just chalking it up to being one of those days, you know, it seems like everything that they put in play end up being a hit.

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438.871 - 453.091 Rob Long

And, you know, that's kind of the Blue Jays baseball that we've gotten used to over the past calendar year or so here. So, you know, I think part of that comes with the tougher at bat, like you mentioned, you know, hopefully, You know, you get that back when Barger's back, when Kirk is back, a little bit more of the lineup depth.

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453.131 - 463.482 Rob Long

But I think, you know, another thing that we saw last night was just kind of the one through nine approach that was really prevalent in 2025. You know, they obviously have six guys with multi-hit games last night.

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463.562 - 477.057 Rob Long

Of course, not all of that is against Sale, but, you know, I can imagine your frustration as an ace who's been as dominant as Chris Sale has for so long to, you know, be giving up tough, giving up hits to guys like Nathan Lucas and Myles Straw and Tyler Heinemann, who obviously are

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477.037 - 485.668 Rob Long

you know, have had their own levels of success in the past year, but certainly are guys that maybe, you know, if you're Chris Sale, you're not super concerned about coming into the game.

485.708 - 502.671 Rob Long

So I think that was a really big part of what happened last night, was kind of just seeing them get that production up and down the lineup and, you know, having guys provide big swings, whether it's Charles McAdoo, Miles Straw, you know, obviously Heidemann kind of has that double that sneaks into the corner, just kind of beyond, you know, Vlad and And Okamoto kind of in the middle there.

502.711 - 504.574 Rob Long

And obviously, you know, you want those guys to get going.

Chapter 6: What are the key points regarding Chad Dallas' MLB debut?

504.694 - 512.365 Rob Long

But, you know, I think when this Blue Jays team is at their best, it is kind of that one through nine approach that they're going to employ.

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512.666 - 524.323 Blake Murphy

So another thing that happened in yesterday's game, and maybe it's as simple as, you know, I talked to BNS about this a little earlier in the weekend. You know, data wise, we can look at the history of baseball and say that

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524.303 - 542.525 Blake Murphy

Teams in situations, like when we look at runners in scoring position or guy on third, less than two outs, however you want to chop up the situational hitting, most teams will perform to their average talent level over a big enough sample. But we did see the Blue Jays yesterday go 7 for 18 with runners in scoring position.

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542.545 - 555.559 Blake Murphy

They'd gone 0 for 10 over those first two games of the series, stranded a lot of runners. Even in the first two innings of that game, they got two on with fewer than two out in the first and second and got nothing. And it looked a little bit like, oh, no, here we go again.

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556.079 - 569.511 Blake Murphy

When you look at how they were able to approach those situational hitting situations, get to sail with runners on base, is that pretty much in line with what we just talked about, about the approach side of things?

569.571 - 577.058 Blake Murphy

Or did you pick up anything else in how they were handling those kind of advantageous situations in a way that they really haven't over the last couple of weeks and over the entire season?

577.038 - 591.053 Rob Long

Yeah, you know, I think kind of like you and Ben talked about, like the runners in scoring position stuff is just kind of naturally going to come back or naturally break through a little bit. And obviously, you know, you go 0 for 10 through the first two games of the series.

591.073 - 604.767 Rob Long

You're really hoping that some balls are going to find some grass or sneak by an infielder or two in the final game of the series. And obviously that happened. I think, you know, I think you kind of look at the game yesterday. And, you know, I think one thing that impressed me, you know, Charles McAdoo obviously has the big swing.

604.747 - 625.675 Rob Long

um in in that third inning was kind of like the the pitch to pitch or the at bat to about adjustment that a guy like that makes you know obviously his first time seeing chris sale uh in in his career and you know he strikes out on three pitches the first time and next time he comes back covers the top of the zone and then is able to bounce back and hit a change up at the top of the zone um 107 for for an rbi and you know i kind of think you you look at

Chapter 7: How are the Blue Jays' prospects performing in the minor leagues?

655.54 - 675.836 Rob Long

the six, two strike hits earlier. And, you know, that also in, in the, of the 33 pitches that sail through with, with two strikes, it was only six whiffs. So they, they did a really good job of just kind of not expanding all that often against him and, and not, you know, doing the, the, Or, you know, not kind of succumbing to the type of pitcher that he is.

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676.357 - 679.302 Rob Long

And, you know, really kind of sticking to that approach throughout the game.

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679.322 - 696.048 Blake Murphy

Yeah, not all that often that Chris Sale is going to have a put-away rate of less than 20% when he gets you in those kind of pitchers counting and gets you on the rope. So impressive from McAdoo there. We had another rookie look pretty impressive yesterday as well. Chad Dallas made his Major League debut. So for anyone who missed it, Mason Fluharty was the opener.

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696.308 - 715 Blake Murphy

But Chad Dallas made his Major League debut behind that. Through three and two-thirds innings, only allowed one earned run, pair of walks, pair of hits, pair of strikeouts. Zach, I know you keep a pretty close eye on the prospects in the system. This is a guy who in 2023 started to get a lot of buzz for the swing and miss stuff, kind of moving quickly that year.

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715.36 - 732.106 Blake Murphy

And then 2024, kind of mirrored by injuries in 2025, he missed the entire season coming back from Tommy John. So he was kind of still in the, yeah, he's on the depth chart defensively. But he's still working back from TJ. And like, can he get up to 65, 70 pitches at AAA before we start talking about him?

732.646 - 751.63 Blake Murphy

So before we talk about what he did last night, kind of take me through what people liked about him, what you liked about him 2023 when he was on the come up and maybe where your expectation level was for a guy with this mix of stuff, but still coming back from Tommy John surgery, not built all the way back up yet.

752.858 - 768.907 Rob Long

Yeah, yeah, super cool for a guy like him to find his way to the major leagues, especially, you know, after going through the Tommy John and kind of his longer path to the majors as a college draft pick in 2021. You know, I think kind of looking at him coming up, he struggled to throw strikes early.

768.947 - 775.238 Rob Long

And in 2023, he kind of has that breakout that you mentioned where he refines his command a little bit, kind of gets that extra swing and miss.

775.218 - 790.578 Rob Long

You know, I think last night we kind of saw that he just was kind of the pitcher that he has been for the last few years here, where, you know, he comes back throwing a little bit harder after TJ this year, and he has these breaking pitches that he can throw for strikes or he can throw it for chase.

Chapter 8: What are the implications of the Blue Jays' playoff chances this season?

803.095 - 821.965 Rob Long

career coming up in the minor leagues i think there was this level of pitch ability and this level of kind of swagger and this level of confidence that he's always had going out there maybe without you know top shelf stuff um so for him to to be able to go out there and kind of just stick to who he was despite it being his major league debut in a huge spot obviously he has all the family there

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821.945 - 837.382 Rob Long

You know, so some great quotes from him after the game as well, where, you know, of course, he's talking about his father passing away from ALS and, you know, finding out that he's going to get the call and be able to make his major league debut on on the day. Really, really cool story from that perspective.

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837.402 - 848.695 Rob Long

And for him to go out there and, you know, kind of stick to who he is and seemingly not, you know, crumble or kind of face that that extra pressure that comes with making an MLB debut, I think was really impressive.

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848.675 - 869.097 Blake Murphy

Yeah, it's very cool. And you can read more about that from Ben Nicholson-Smith at sportsnet.ca. Chad Dallas called it kind of a wink from God to get the call on the day that Major League Baseball is celebrating ALS. And if you missed me mentioning earlier in the week, Tuesday at Rogers Center, there will be more as far as ALS research and awareness goes as well. So...

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869.077 - 885.756 Blake Murphy

He looks pretty good in his debut. Not a ton of strikeout. And for anyone who doesn't, pretty good swing and miss rate, 27% whiff rate, so seven whiffs in three and two-thirds. Not bad there. But Dallas does not have... I mean, he's kind of like a pitch-backwards guy. It's a lot of breaking balls. It's a lot of curveball sweeper.

886.176 - 904.976 Blake Murphy

Even when he does throw fastball, he is kind of this en vogue pitcher style that throws three different fastballs, although we didn't see the sinker yesterday. He does throw a sinker. But it's mostly cutter curveball sweeper. And... That's a fascinating mix in general because there just aren't a lot of guys who are throwing 50%, 60% breaking balls as starters.

905.356 - 924.075 Blake Murphy

Maybe you can get away with that more as a reliever who can come in and just break them off. So when you look at that, obviously the Blue Jays need starting pitching depth, and you'll never move a starter to the bullpen unless you're in a playoff race or the guy has exhausted the chances as a starter. But where do you see that type of arsenal coming?

924.055 - 948.443 Rob Long

fitting in kind of short term here and then more long term how does a guy like dallas profile yeah it's really interesting you know i was kind of interested to see like how he was going to handle lefties right obviously he's kind of got all these pitches that that move away from righties and his his splits in in triple a this year have been fairly neutral you know he hasn't given up um a ton more damage to lefties than he has righties and then obviously it has fared fairly well against both handedness so

948.423 - 969.658 Rob Long

Was pretty impressed again by the way that he came out. He was pretty cutter heavy to those lefties. I even think that his first inning in the game last night, obviously he comes in with the runner on third and one out and is able to escape that without giving up the run. He comes in and goes sweeper heavy Dawson Riley and then Kind of seems like an intentional, intentional walk, maybe.

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