EP: 468 The Church is Afraid of the Supernatural with Jon Moffitt
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What is the main focus of the episode and who is the guest?
I know for a fact that a lot of people have experiences. They're too embarrassed and ashamed to tell people. There's a buddy of mine. This guy is a businessman very high up in the corporate world. I was telling him about it at one of my church members who's like convinced that his uncle he was abducted and has a chip in his arm. I'm testing the waters, right? Like he's gonna make fun of me. And he's just looking at me like dead straight. He goes, I have a crazier one than that. It was his story. He and his buddies are out dirt biking, and on the other side of this mountain, it's just three of them. There's this bright light. So they're Like, well, that I know there's a military base, so let's go see what they're doing.
So they crawl up there. Long story short, he's like, I can't describe to you what I we saw. It's this see-through orb. It's like massive in the sky. And it just started moving towards us. No noise, no nothing, and then just shot out. He goes, I've never told anybody but my wife. He's held on to that for I think almost 20 years. He's like, I don't know what to think about that. In light of all this stuff you've been talking about, like you know, the Nephilim. Government, like whatever.
About those. What happens when you grow up in the church and you read things like the divine counsel, spiritual powers, principalities, the angels that send, and you don't have any answers and you go looking for 'em?
Today, our friend John Moffitt, Reformed pastor, joins us in Blurry Creatures to talk about how taking a supernatural view of scripture has changed his faith and also embroiled him in controversy in the Reformed.
church. And why is this so controversial?
What strange UFO encounter did the businessman share and how did it affect the conversation?
We read supernatural stories in the Bible all the time, but when you start preaching them from the pulpit or you start believing them and writing them in your books, it becomes a problem. And we're gonna talk about reading the Old Testament. John argues we should read the Old Testament through the lens of Jesus. Go to BlurryCreatures.com slash members to become a member of the podcast and get access to so much more.
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The history of our earth is so different from what we can imagine.
It's a Smithsonian that if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere was to go get it.
I'm gonna assume at least one person
is right, because if one person's right it busts the paragon. It all goes back to the fall and cherry. And the problem with the modern day church, they have a very truncated view of the supernatural.
This backdrop that's just pregnant with all kinds of meaning associated with this Mount Herman event.
And this guy defects from the kingdom. That's a big deal.
Yeah.
We had faces for radio. Now we're on video. Welcome back to the blurry basement. We got John Moffat in the house. Uh you're a pastor, theologian, and you're a podcaster as well. There's probably a lot of things you do, but we'll we'll leave it at that. We'll let you tell us more about yourself. But you your brand new book is out today. The Bible according to Jesus. How to r how Jesus teaches us to read the scriptures and um You've been in the news lately. Like a lot of things have been in the news lately. But um you know, like a a lot of the topics we talk about here, we bring up stuff that sort of kicks the bee's nest every episode does, and and we w we we joked off stage uh uh back last year. Uh last year, la yesterday.
When did we do this? Backstage uh or off camera is what I was trying to say. But um like if you don't like our show, just wait a week 'cause we have another episode coming. You know what I mean? I like the line. Yeah, but you you you got people turning on you because of uh talking about blurry stuff. Yeah, but you Stuff. And uh obviously there's certain sections of the Christianity, you know, in the in the Christian world who don't like the blurry verse.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the main focus of the episode and who is the guest?
0:00–1:15
2
What strange UFO encounter did the businessman share and how did it affect the conversation?
1:15–7:25
3
Why did the Lord’s Prayer line “deliver us from the evil one” spark a theological crisis for Jon?
7:25–18:23
4
How did Jon discover the supernatural worldview through books like Barnhouse’s *The Invisible War*?
18:23–32:13
5
What controversy arose when Jon’s church network demanded he disavow his supernatural teachings?
32:13–46:16
6
How did Jon and Doug launch the *Reform Fringe* (later *Kingdoms Unveiled*) podcast to discuss these topics?
46:16–1:03:56
7
What key ideas does Jon’s new book *The Bible According to Jesus* present about reading Scripture through Jesus’ lens?
1:03:56–1:23:28
8
How does Jon’s supernatural perspective give hope and comfort in a cursed world?
1:23:28–1:29:04
Speakers
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