Chapter 1: What examples are given of championship teams with players who hate each other?
But I was thinking just with the Ben thing and what we talked about with Tom Brady, Robert Kraft, and Bill Belichick. I mean, and then we always bring up the Jordan, Pippen, and all that stuff. Luke Longley and all these guys who couldn't stand Michael Jordan. There has been so much drama with winning teams. Like, I understand...
This past year with the Mets, everybody was talking about the clubhouse was broken, and that team played horrible for months on end. And that makes sense. They didn't get along. There was a major divide in there. David Stearns got rid of some of the players that had been a problem with that, kept some of the players, obviously, added to the clubhouse.
But you have, I mean, Super Bowl and championship teams all these years later, like, despising one another. Now, I mean... You talk glowingly about your teammates and the guys that you played with, and you guys had success and won an AFC championship game and had a lot of really good seasons. But is there a common thread between the championship bulls who hate each other?
Ben Roethlisberger and that team would hate each other.
I think the whole Bulls thing comes out of the 2020 documentary that we all watched. Depending on who you are in that documentary and how you come off is going to... you know, make you feel one way or the other. And I think Scottie Pippen felt like, you know, that this isn't showing me enough respect.
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Chapter 2: How did the Mets' clubhouse issues affect their performance?
I would think that's probably how he felt. But their relationship had been kind of crappy prior to that, and I think this just put it over the top. I mean, look, you know, Michael Jordan is the ultimate superstar, and, you know, he is basically untouchable when it comes to, like, the greatest, one of the greatest American athletes, top five greatest American athletes of all time. Yeah.
When you think about a professional athlete and you think about what his impact was on the game of basketball. Now, there were a lot of guys that helped him along those ways. And I'm not talking about his own team. I'm also talking about Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Patrick Ewing, Isaiah Thomas, all those great players of that era saved the NBA. And David Stern's real ā
it was David Stern, yeah, realized that, you know, look, we got to promote these players. We got to promote these personalities because they're the ones that the people are coming to see. Yeah. And that's what they did. And I just think that.
When these documentaries come out and all of a sudden the social media stuff comes out, the podcasts come out, guys are a little bit looser with their opinions on podcasts than they would if they come on with us or live television. Things come out and people react differently to those comments. That's what I think is going on here.
Yeah, I mean, I think the fact that everybody's got that platform does play into this. I mean, when you sit down with your buddies and you're having a conversation, these things come out more.
I mean, you get these stories about the post-playing careers of a lot of these guys that wouldn't normally be asked to come on or they wouldn't tell it in the same way because they're surrounded by their peers on these podcasts and they can let it fly where you didn't have that back in the day. And a lot of these guys are just coming out and slamming everybody.
Ben saying that maybe it's time to clean house, really, I mean, if he's doing a podcast, they want to hear his opinions on the Steelers. Is that really violating the code more so than what Joey Porter did to Ben Roethlisberger? Like, I don't know. I mean, Mike Tomlin resigned. He thought he agreed with Ben.
He walked away when they didn't want him to walk away. I would think that it would be hard for somebody like Joey Porter, who also came back and coached under Mike Tomlin, and probably is very loyal to Mike Tomlin, wanting to see a former quarterback who played for this coach basically throw the coach under the bus. That's what it feels like to me.
And, you know, then whatever the issue James Harrison created, I'm not sure what that issue was.
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Chapter 3: What common threads exist among championship teams with internal conflicts?
Right. So that's another reason.
When you talk about dynasties and you talk about great teams and Hall of Fame players, have we seen or heard of any disdain from those great Yankee teams of the 90s? No. I mean, there seems to be a genuine love fest with the players and the coach, the manager. Derek Jeter and Brian Cashman.
Okay. That's a thing. That's a thing. But as far, I mean, those guys are as thick as thieves, aren't they? I feel like Derek Jeter and Jorge Posada and Bernie Williams and Mariano, I feel like those guys.
Chapter 4: How did the 2020 Bulls documentary impact perceptions of team dynamics?
But that would be a team that would be in that discussion, like you're talking about these other teams. 100%, yeah. But every time you see Mariano or Jorge or Andy Pettit or Derek Jeter, when they're talking about their teammates and their team and the respect that they had for their manager and their assistant coaches, it's actually quite refreshing, to be honest.
Yeah, I mean, now you want to tell me about once A-Rod got here and they did win that championship in 09, there might be something there. But as far as the dynasty goes that started in 96, no, I don't think there were any issues.
How about one of the greatest hockey teams, top three hockey teams of all time in the NHL, the Dynasty of the Islanders? Have we heard any of ā every time I see those players talking about those years, I hear nothing but reverence for each other, reverence for the general manager, reverence for the coach.
Yeah, different time. I mean, that's a long time ago now.
But that's the early 80s.
Yeah, I know. But, I mean, it's ā like those guys, can you compare like ā Butch Goring to Michael Jordan and Ben Roethlisberger and the money that they were making?
Well, I know, of course, and plus hockey wasn't nearly as popular. But I also, you know, I just think about how, again, those players, and they all knew that, like, Mike Bossy was awesome and they knew that, you know, You know, Billy Smith was incredible. I mean, and, of course, the great Clark Gillies and Bobby Nystrom and all of those. Potvin. Yeah, Potvin, yeah.
Anyway, so the point being is I've never heard anything negative from those guys either.
No, of course not.
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Chapter 5: What role do social media and podcasts play in revealing player opinions?
I remember that. I remember that. You did a great job of having the poker face on television, though.
Dude.
Let me tell you something. We ended up nullifying his contract, his guarantees. And as you know, the whole key to being an NFL player is how much your contract is guaranteed. That's the whole deal. And he had close to $30 million in guarantees. Aside from not practicing, he left training camp to go home without asking for permission.
And finally, we wrote him a letter that basically said, you're done. Guarantees are nullified. And that's when he went off on me on the practice field.
Yeah, remember what he said to him?
I kind of remember, because this was on Hard Knocks, wasn't it?
What was it on? I don't remember, but this particular thing was not on Hard Knocks, I don't think, what he called him.
I called him, was it the C word or something?
The Cracker, yeah, he called him the Cracker, yeah, on the practice field, yeah.
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