Boomer & Gio
Full Show - Jets On-Air Arguments, Frank Reich...Finally, Nagy With The Giants
04 Feb 2026
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Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
It's the Boomer and Geo podcast from WFAN. And we're coding you live for the Bill Ford Talk Studio. Boomer Esiason, Greg Giannotti. It's Boomer and Geo on the fan. Simulcast across the country on CBS Sports Network. And wherever you are on the free Odyssey app, good Wednesday morning. I really thought this was going to be the Giants offseason.
And we're going to be talking about them every single day. The Jets were going to take a backseat, and not a lot of stuff was going to happen with them prior to the draft. Well, I was wrong, because now the Jets are in the forefront once again, and it was all over the radio station here yesterday. Of course, we were talking about all of the Frank stuff, which... We'll be right back.
Sean Moresh comes on the air and says that Darren Mooji is telling everybody that Woody Johnson is meddling too much and he's not going to be here for a very long time. Mooji himself. And then Sean says that it was Woody Johnson who squashed the Wink Martindale thing. Then Craig comes on and he squashes Sean Moresh and tells him that that's not true. So it was a wild day, man. I tell you.
How was your dinner with Frank Reich? Good morning, Boomer. How are you? you all right good morning g yeah i did have uh dinner with frank reich last night oh nice and it was absolutely great we ate at uh root steakhouse over in summit and uh great place by the way i've been there before so uh it was easy and uh yeah we we spent about two and a half hours together just
going through pretty much everything. You know, he thought he had a great interview yesterday, really appreciated the professionalism, understood exactly what was going on over there, that they had Darryl Bevel in, that they had Greg Roman in, and they were doing all their due diligence on everybody, making sure that the right guy is going to be hired.
And he said he was thoroughly impressed with the building, with the practice facility. He was actually blown away by it. Like, you know, you don't realize, like, when we go over there, we kind of take it for Well, yeah, and we've been there several times. We know what it is now. Yeah.
Yeah, and this is the first time he was exposed to that type of thing, and he was like, wow, this is really amazing. And, you know, everybody has a perception of what's going on and everything else. All I can tell you is that the dinner we had last night, he said it was –
The interview, the timing, the questions, the in-depth aspects of what is trying to get done over there, he came away really impressed. And he's been in a number of interviews, and he felt like this one was really well done. And he felt good about it, felt very confident about it. And, you know, hopefully, like I was telling you yesterday, I said 24 to 48 hours. Yes.
So now we're starting into the 48-hour part of this. Yes. And I figured today that the Jets would make a decision one way or the other. I think I know which way they're going to go. But, you know, you never are, I think, totally comfortable until the ink hits the paper, as they say. What did Greg Roman order at this dinner? Greg Roman was not at this dinner.
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Chapter 2: What happened during Boomer's dinner with Frank Reich?
And, you know, hopefully we'll hear something before, you know, we get off the air. And if not, maybe we'll come right after we get off the air. Who knows? Like it usually does. Yeah, but I just... The furor around this, just the craziness around this, from where I sit from, it's actually very funny. Well, I mean, there's two different things that are going on.
There's the offensive coordinator search and finality to that story, and then there's everything that went on here with Sean and then Craig refuting it yesterday after we got off the air. So, you know, one of the things that Sean said, I believe because we even talked about this a couple days ago with the Wink Martindale thing being shut down by Woody Johnson because of the money.
It was one of the discussions that we had where it wouldn't have surprised us if... Woody came in and said, wait a second, I'm paying you a pretty big salary, Aaron. You're a defensive guy. You're looking at guys who are going to command a big salary on the offensive side of the ball.
Now you're telling me you're bringing in this guy who commands a big salary, has got a reputation in Wink Martindale. Like, no, I'm sorry. Like, I want you to call the play. So that's something that's believable because I was having the conversation with you trying to connect the dots on that whole thing. So that's something that's believable, especially –
if it ends up being Frank who is going to command more of a salary than some first-time offensive coordinator who was a quality control coach for a year and then ends up here. So there's no doubt that he's going to get paid a little bit more and probably have maybe even a bigger title. So that part I understand. Now, the part about...
Darren Muji telling everybody that it's a disaster and he's trying to find a way out of here and telling people don't come to the Jets. That one I have to question just a little bit because Darren Muji's got this opportunity as a general manager with all these picks that he has. If Woody Johnson's making the picks, then that's a problem. I don't think he's making the picks.
But if Aaron Glenn is the one who is leading this coaching search to a certain... degree, even though Woody shot down the defensive coordinator, but it seemed to me, everything you have said, that Aaron Glenn is the one who is spearheading this offensive coordinator search and Woody isn't really involved in that part of it. And Darren Muji has all these picks and he made all these trades.
He's got an opportunity to actually build this team and get the trust of the owner and the fan base. So I'd be surprised if he was telling everybody that he's finding a way out of here. I would say that that There's inaccuracies with that second part of that. The first part of it, if what he did say to Aaron Glenn, I want you to call defense, I could see that. I'm not going to dispute that.
I don't know if that's true or not, but I'm not going to dispute that. The second part of it, the Muji part of it, I will dispute. I will dispute that 100%. That that is not accurate and that is just bombastic and hyperbole is what that is. And I don't want to undercut Sean in any way. I don't want to get in a fight with him or anything. That was his point of view.
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Chapter 3: What insights does Frank Reich share about the Jets' coaching search?
And, you know, such a jet thing and all this other crap that's associated with it. The one thing I will say, sitting there with Frank last night, He does not buy into any negativity whatsoever. He's just not a negative person. He's a complete optimist, and he's somebody who believes very much in what he can do.
And if he does get this job, he can really have a profound impact on an offense that he believes that there are a lot of really good players here already. He does. He looked... And the offensive line coach, Steve Hyden, worked with Ben Johnson. He loves that because Frank thinks that Ben Johnson has one of the best offensive minds in all of football. And I think I've told you this over the years.
When he was with the Detroit Lions, Frank used to tell me that he was doing things with Jared Goff that nobody really even thought about in the NFL. And that's the kind of thing that Frank really appreciated from the offensive standpoint.
And the fact that Steve Hyden, who was a former tight end himself in the NFL, is the offensive line coach, I think is a very, very attractive aspect to this job that people don't understand. These coordinators, they have to be in the room with the guys that have to teach the system. And Frank loved, or does love, Ben Johnson's system, and he respects him.
And Frank has his own deal in the way he works things, the way he calls plays, the way he designs plays. And it's probably one of the reasons why Steve Hyden is still here. Yeah, and just back to Woody for a second, too, because I've said many, many times, so I don't want to sound hypocritical.
I've said many times that a lot of coaches don't look at the Jets as a desirable destination to either start their career as a head coach or revive their career as a head coach. And that's why someone like Aaron Glenn ended up being the coach. He's the one guy who really wanted the job. And someone like Darren Mooji, who...
had the connections through Payton and Parcells and all of that, but also wasn't being considered for any other general manager jobs during that hiring cycle, ends up being the general manager, and the Jets need to build up the roster and get credibility again before other people want to come here. I do think that the league...
looks at the Jets and people who fail at the Jets as a Jets problem and not a person that was their problem, and the examples are everywhere.
I mean, the fact that Mike LaFleur is now a head coach, the fact that Rob Sala got another shot that quickly, and I think that Sam Darnold and him being in the Super Bowl, it's another one of those things that people say, it's not really the players or the coaches or the coordinators, it's that place.
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Chapter 4: What are the implications of the Jets' decision on their quarterback situation?
And that part of the Muji story was, I think, totally sensationalized. That's all I'm going to say. Okay. Yeah, I mean, I would agree with that.
I do think that some of the things that Sean said are completely believable and things that I have even tried to connect the dots and say that probably what happened as far as Wink Martindale, but, you know, Mooji trying to get out and trashing Woody Johnson and the Jets and, you know, the talk at the Senior Bowl as Darren Mooji's trying to pull the ripcord.
Now, hey, I mean, Sean can do a victory lap if Darren Mooji steps down, you know, like before the draft or something crazy. You know, then he could be like... Well, we're kind of going down this road with him and Nikki Gist at one point. Well, she ended up coming out and ripping him.
Oh, she did?
Okay, I didn't know that. Yeah, she popped in. All right. She tapped in. Nikki Gist back in the chat. Let's see. Okay. Was she cussing? I don't think so. Sometimes she just lets it rip. Oh, does she? Yeah. I don't even know if I... Nikki, here we go. All right. There we go. So she quotes, quote tweets something that Sean put out about Mooji. He goes, he wasn't... This is what Sean says.
He wasn't at the Senior Bowl, to be clear, on the Mooji stuff, but he's told enough friends this, which led to it being discussed... in circles the week of the Senior Bowl. And Nikki Gist quote tweets that and says, this is what I'm talking about. Repeating gossip isn't reporting. Unfortunately for WFAN, I cover the Jets too. Woody Johnson meddling isn't a secret. It makes the job challenging.
But Mooji warning people to stay away from New York, that's cap. All right, that's cap. So that's, I say that's sus. And then she says, Sean, you give reporters a bad name. Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting. I just can't imagine Darren Muji doing anything remotely close to that, especially with leading into this draft and how much. They have the most draft capital in the NFL right now.
So, yeah, they had one of the worst seasons. Yeah, they had a lot of problems. Yeah, they fired a lot of coaches. Yeah, there's a lot of negativity around the team. But going into the most important part of the NFL season when you are trying to rebuild a team and trying to restart a team, Guess what? This first-time GM did an unbelievable job acquiring all these assets.
Why would you or why would anybody think that he would want to leave or say anything negative about an owner that believed in him? And one of the reasons the owner believed in him was, of course, because of Mike Tannenbaum and Rick Spielman and I'm sure Bill Parcells and everybody else and Sean Payton. And, you know, he watched Sean Payton go through that whole thing with –
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Chapter 5: What happens when the Jets hire Frank Reich as their offensive coordinator?
I'm minding my own business. I'm getting ready to go back to my hotel, and some guy's yelling at me. I think, oh, my gosh. Yeah. Somebody wants an autograph. More importantly, I'm in the Bay Area. Somebody's going to yell at me, go, the Raiders suck. I'm going. All of a sudden, I turn around. He says, chuck the ball down.
Chapter 6: How did the hosts react to the Jets' coaching situation?
Throw it. Don't hold it. I'm like, wait a minute. I know that voice. Hey, we're going to the Oakland Coliseum. We're going to go revisit some of our greatest memories.
Dude, that place was special. That was, wasn't it? I love the place so much. The only thing that I get some chills sometimes is when I'm out there blowing the bomb.
Chapter 7: What are the implications of Frank Reich's hiring for the Jets' offense?
Blue 85.
He's really going, no! No! Get the team in the air, Caslino! No! We're playing Tennessee on Monday Night Football. He's going, easy, easy. Hey, 98, bunch, crunch. He goes, shut the f*** up, Blue 85! Dude, that was the game I was at.
Chapter 8: What humorous moments arise during the discussion of Marshawn Lynch's podcast?
I did that game. Yes, I saw that, man. We didn't get to it, but then Gruden went on to say, there's a lot of gays and bums out here, man. The one thing I did notice, where was everybody? It was like an empty street. It almost looked like a movie set in the background. Echoing and everything. The visual was great, too. They're elbowing each other and Gruden's bear-hugging him.
It's just tremendous. Yeah, I mean, we had Rich Gannon on. He was the first person to float out there publicly that John Gruden was used as a distraction tactic by Dan Snyder when the NFL was investigating Snyder and he was trying to get the heat off of him. And they leaked the emails and then get Gruden in trouble. I mean, so Gannon, I remember he said that.
I was like, wow, I hadn't thought of that. Dude, that's one of the great all-time quarterback-coach relationships. I mean, they do. They actually do love each other. You can tell, yeah. And the one thing I will say about John Gruden dealing with quarterbacks, he did not have a lot of patience. He did not. I mean, he would get on his quarter. You can ask Chris Simms this.
We're going to hear from Chris Simms in just a few minutes on the other side of the break here. Not about John Gruden, but some good audio from him.
Okay.
So let me go do that. All right, yeah. See you later. I saw a little Chris Sims, Matt Sims situation with Mike Florio yesterday. They were talking about Matt Nagy. Wanted to see what those guys had to say about it. Hopefully they were positive about it. Yeah, I mean, they were busting each other's balls, and they seemed to be positive about it. You would think so. Yeah.
I mean, like, you know, guy's got a resume. He's got all the experience, which is probably something that John Harbaugh really wanted. Yeah, and then Matt Sims told a story about how Phil was throwing him up in the air as a baby and hit his head on the ceiling. Kind of explains a lot. I think Phil was hit in the head when he was a kid, too, in the barn by hay or something.
And then Phil would always use that against him when he would do something that Phil didn't like. You know, he'd be like, he's like, I did hit your head on the ceiling that one time. Maybe that screwed you up. It was a funny story there by Matt. I'm sure. That Sims family, huh? Yeah. You know Matt Sims grew up a Jaguars fan? And what was the reason for that?
He was just a kid and loved the logo and just got into it. And somehow was like, got into Tom Coughlin and that team and they went to the AFC Championship game in that second year of existence. I mean, it reminds me of my kids. Gunnar loved the Packers because of the G on the helmet. Yeah. And then Sydney loved the star on the cowboy helmet. Mm-hmm.
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