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Boomer & Gio

Hour 4 - Giants '26 Schedule, Bills Could Hire Daboll, Saleh Goes Titans

20 Jan 2026

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Chapter 1: What changes are expected in the Giants' future under John Harbaugh?

0.031 - 19.171 Boomer Esiason

It's the Boomer and Geo podcast from WFAN. Hi, Boomer and Geo, coming to you live from the little Ford Tough studio on the fan and CBS Sports Network. The Red Pocket Mobile fan line is brought to you by your new ultimate cell carrier, Red Pocket Mobile, 888-808-1019.

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19.992 - 41.545 Gio

So do we think this is the fateful or the day that Giant fans are hoping for where the organization now takes a complete U-turn and goes in the right direction? The culture is going to be set early on. Remember I told you that the Baltimore Ravens, and their preseason record wasn't by accident. Sure. This guy wants to win.

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42.046 - 63.016 Gio

He's uber competitive, just like his brother is, just like all these coaches in the NFL are. And he has one way of doing things. I'm not saying that he is anything but, you know, players love playing for him. He's a really solid players coach. He's a guy that knows how to communicate with his players, gets the best out of his players. But it all starts in training camp.

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63.176 - 68.384 Gio

It all starts with preseason games and winning those games and expecting to win those games.

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68.705 - 87.874 Boomer Esiason

Yeah, I mean, and I expect the Giants to have a winning record next year. I expect them to be right there in the playoff conversation. They were close. I mean, you go back and think about it. how many last-second field goals, how many blown leads that they had this year, how close they were to winning seven or eight games.

87.934 - 108.399 Boomer Esiason

And, of course, they didn't, and they lost, and they had another miserable season. But John Harbaugh coming in, another year of Jackson Dart, fifth overall pick. team getting healthy again with all the injuries that they had. Yeah, I expect them to have a winning season right away. I mean, and that's what the NFL can provide is a worst to first. You can do it quickly.

108.62 - 122.074 Boomer Esiason

I don't know how many times we talked about the Bears and the Patriots this year, and the Patriots have an opportunity to go to the Super Bowl, for crying out loud. Now, I'm not saying the Giants go to the Super Bowl next year, but they got a hell of a lot better chance now than they ever did.

122.054 - 141.765 Gio

Well, I will say that they're going to have another tough schedule next year based on the teams that they play. We don't know when they're going to play them, but we do know that at home, along with their division, they have the Cardinals, Browns, Jaguars, Saints, 49ers, and Titans. That's their home schedule, including their division teams.

141.785 - 156.705 Boomer Esiason

I mean, there's a lot. The Cardinals, the Browns, the Titans, and the Saints all were terrible this past year. Yeah, but again, they're saying the same thing that the Giant fans say. No, I know, but I'm saying it's not all that. It's not like monster team after monster team.

Chapter 2: How will the Giants navigate their tough schedule next year?

296.427 - 304.678 Boomer Esiason

If anybody wants to take a team over the top or could take a team over the top, why not Bill Belichick? But he would not have Josh McDaniels with him.

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304.658 - 310.551 Gio

You know, they also said that Rex Ryan was the perfect guy to get them over the top when he was available.

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310.631 - 311.173 Boomer Esiason

That is true.

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311.333 - 329.33 Gio

I mean, I just think that, you know, I could see Brian Dable there. I don't know if they're going to want an offensive guy, which Brian is. Knows the family very close to the Pagoulas. Knows how things work up there. Very close to Brandon Bean. So I don't – you know, that would make sense to me, and I would think Josh would be happy with that.

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329.39 - 346.478 Gio

But the way some of the players reacted to the firing yesterday, you know, it tells me a lot about Sean McDermott, the coach. I mean, there are guys that were just completely caught off guard of this whole thing. Obviously, they're not paying attention to, like, we're paying attention and the noise that's out there, whether it be – so think about this.

346.458 - 364.841 Gio

There were three stories that were written prior to the playoffs starting, or probably like four or five weeks prior to the playoffs starting, that guys were hanging on by a thread and they would have to win. Tomlin, Harbaugh, and McDermott. All of them gone. All of them gone, fairly or unfairly.

364.881 - 367.965 Boomer Esiason

Well, Dable and McDaniel, too, by the way, were two guys.

367.985 - 375.334 Gio

Yeah, but those guys were expected, but the other guys were with winning programs and had won. In the case of John Harbaugh, for God's sake, he won a Super Bowl.

376.175 - 383.471 Boomer Esiason

Yeah, of course, and obviously Mike Tomlin had as well back in the day. It's been a number of years, of course, but he did.

Chapter 3: What coaching changes are happening in the NFL?

588.786 - 607.357 Gio

Has Josh Allen been a very successful quarterback within the system that he is running? Sure, yeah. Yeah, but why would you bring somebody in that may change the system in a certain way? Like, why wouldn't you try to keep the system that they are running?

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607.397 - 625.455 Gio

And I know Joe Brady's a little bit different, you know, than Brian Dable, and they're all, you know, they had guys there, but they all kind of run the same thing because they want him to be comfortable and they want him to be the player that he has turned into. So I don't think you're bringing in, like, a Mike McCarthy in a West Coast-style offense.

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626.195 - 644.423 Boomer Esiason

Yeah, I'm just trying to figure out. So that means that they're either going to promote Joe Brady or they're going to hire Brian Dable. Or maybe one of the other guys that comes in that's a head coach or has head coaching experience keeps Joe Brady. I'm not sure. It's just that I feel like the person that fits the criteria of what the Bills are looking for, it's a very small list.

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645.162 - 648.486 Boomer Esiason

Well, I mean... Unless they go with a first-time head coach, which would be nuts to me.

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648.767 - 672.194 Gio

I just can't see it. Again, the quarterback is really important in this equation. And just like it would be for Patrick Mahomes if Andy Reid decided to leave or if the Hunt family decided to fire Andy Reid, you want to find a guy that... your quarterback who is deserving of his opinion in this particular situation because of everything that he's given your franchise.

672.695 - 694.711 Gio

And quite frankly, the reason that they got a new stadium in Buffalo was because of Sean McDermott and Josh Allen together being as successful as they have been up in Western New York. And that's how you get stadiums. Why do you think Chicago is going to get a new stadium now? Why? Because, well, we got Ben Johnson, we got Caleb Williams, we got one of the most exciting teams in the NFL.

695.172 - 698.477 Gio

Now there's political will. Why do you think Kansas City's getting a new stadium?

698.557 - 701.021 Boomer Esiason

Well, yeah. Andy Reid, Patrick Holmes, Super Bowl champions.

701.081 - 728.681 Gio

That's exactly right. And, you know, it all goes part and parcel. That's why I would not want to screw up my quarterback up in Buffalo any which way. I would really want to sit down with him and want his opinion on this. You know where your boy Justin Herbert was yesterday? Oh, let's see. My boy Justin Herbert was probably... You're asking me, so I got to think that he was here in New York?

Chapter 4: Is Brian Daboll a strong candidate for the Bills' head coach position?

951.25 - 960.85 Peter Schwartz

We didn't want to break your heart. Here was the thing. So... They brought me on at the end of December as a consultant to help them launch the league.

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961.331 - 963.033 Gio

How long have you been running a consulting business?

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963.593 - 983.678 Peter Schwartz

I was just brought on for my arena football expertise. And I did not know that the team was coming. Somebody reached out, did you realize there's a team coming to the Coliseum? I'm like, no. So when they brought me on as a consultant, and I got them to the January 15th press conference, and five minutes after the press conference was over, they offered me the job as general manager.

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983.658 - 999.549 Peter Schwartz

I said, okay, whatever. And then he told me my consulting fee would come within two weeks. So I kind of used that as a barometer. Like if I get the money, I'll take the job. I got it the next day. So, like, I had no reason to, like, vet it any further. And then the checks were coming in. No one's blaming you.

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999.829 - 1005.316 Peter Schwartz

No, but I'm just saying, like, people have asked me, like, why didn't you vet this guy more? I had no reason to.

1005.516 - 1022.575 Boomer Esiason

No, it's all good. We knew. And you're going to be whole, which all that matters. Yeah. All right, so we've got all the fan favorites here. We've got Peter Schwartz. We also now have the happiest man in America, the CEO of Janitorial Services here at 345 Hudson. He's smiling right now, but there's no way he's happy. A man.

1022.555 - 1025.098 Yousef

Well, I'm happy because he's talking nice about me.

1025.499 - 1038.155 Boomer Esiason

Yes, and a man from Morocco. That's right. Boomer's been looking for you for two days now to ask some questions about something that happened with your Moroccan soccer team.

1038.175 - 1048.749 Gio

Yes, the African Cup of Nations, which is known as AFCON. This was an ugly scene between your team, Morocco, and Senegal.

Chapter 5: What impact does the NFL coaching carousel have on team dynamics?

1073.817 - 1097.664 Gio

Galli's. So all the people there, all the fans are going crazy, going crazy. Then all of a sudden, your star player in Morocco... complains to the official that he got thrown to the ground, which he did. The official didn't see it, didn't call it, and somehow your star player, what's his name? Well, we have Hakimi. Who's the guy that kicked the free kick? That's Ibrahim. Ibrahim.

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1097.684 - 1114.047 Gio

So Ibrahim basically complained to the official that he got thrown to the ground, so he convinced the official to go look at the video review. The VAR. So the guy goes look at the bar, the video review, comes out and says, yeah, there was a penalty there, so we're going to give this guy, Ibrahim, a free kick.

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1115.168 - 1125.459 Gio

And this guy baby kicked. Now, by the way, after all of this, when he was given the free kick, the Senegal team took, the coach took the team off the field.

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1125.479 - 1126.12 Unknown

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1126.14 - 1133.207 Gio

For 17 minutes. 17 minutes. They were down in the locker room. Yeah, yeah. Now all the fans are going crazy. All hell's breaking loose. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1133.187 - 1143.537 Yousef

And this is in front of, what, 80,000 people? Yeah, 80,000, and the press was there, the press of Morocco. Yeah, President of Morocco, yes. It was just crazy.

1143.557 - 1145.92 Gio

All right, so this guy, Ibrahim, now gets the free kick.

1146.18 - 1146.44 Unknown

Yeah.

Chapter 6: How did the recent playoff games influence coaching decisions?

1235.845 - 1239.169 Yousef

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. My mother will give her that penalty.

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1239.189 - 1244.674 Gio

Were they saying that he was trying to do a certain type of kick, a panenka or something? What do they call that?

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1244.694 - 1244.915 Yousef

Yeah, yeah.

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1244.935 - 1246.536 Gio

Is that like a looping kick or something?

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1246.676 - 1249.78 Boomer Esiason

What they're trying to do is the goalie either dives left or right.

1249.82 - 1263.735 Yousef

Because he already scored like one penalty or two penalties in the tournament. Yeah, so what did he say after the game? What is his reaction to all this? He was just like, you know, I'm sorry, you know. Is he going to get killed in Morocco? No, no, nobody will.

1263.915 - 1266.018 Gio

You sure? Nobody will get killed in Morocco? No, no, no.

1266.098 - 1267.339 Yousef

We don't have that back home.

1267.359 - 1276.751 Gio

So then Senegal kicks a great goal. That was good. And they end up winning. Winning, yeah. But I think the Moroccans seem to be really ticked off at this guy, Ibrahim.

Chapter 7: What are the implications of coaching changes for quarterback performance?

1536.419 - 1543.013 Yousef

Is this guy, Ibrahim, going to play for the team? Oh, yeah, of course. You sure? Oh, yeah, yeah.

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1543.033 - 1545.155 Boomer Esiason

You just did the Eddie Scazzeri accent, by the way.

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1545.175 - 1546.076 Yousef

I feel sorry for him.

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1546.737 - 1550.702 Boomer Esiason

You just went, is this guy going to play with the team?

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1551.042 - 1569.144 Yousef

No, no, for sure he will play. No, we're not like, you know, the people are angry at that moment, maybe yesterday, today, but it's okay now. It's okay. And to be honest with you, I was following these two psychics. Psychics? Yeah, there's like one lady, I swear to God.

1569.284 - 1569.865 Boomer Esiason

Yeah?

1570.216 - 1574.121 Yousef

She's crazy. Whatever she said, it happened.

1574.141 - 1575.162 Boomer Esiason

And she predicted this?

1575.402 - 1594.626 Yousef

She predicted before the African Cup, like a month before. Really? Senegal would be the final. They say Morocco, she said. He might play with Morocco, but I didn't see no country from North Africa. Wow. The only team that's taking this is... Senegal.

Chapter 8: How does team culture affect player success in the NFL?

1871.668 - 1893.494 Boomer Esiason

And, you know, there was some more reporting about how on Saturday, as late as Saturday morning, the John Harbaugh camp and his agent were talking to the Tennessee Titans, which, I mean, I don't... What is that about? I mean, why would you put that out there now? But none of it matters because he is here and Rob Sala's down in Tennessee.

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1894.237 - 1906.689 Gio

You know, if this were – there are a couple coaches out there that I wouldn't trust. And, you know, I'm not going to mention their names. Josh McDaniels. I'm not going to mention any of their names. But I will say this, that John Harbaugh is not one of those coaches.

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1906.809 - 1928.476 Gio

John Harbaugh, you know, 18 years down in Baltimore creating that culture along with Steve Bishotti and Ray Lewis and Ed Reed and, you know, Joe Flacco at one point, then Lamar Jackson and everything else. You know, when he goes to league meetings and they go to league meetings, they are very highly thought of. They're respected. And everybody in the league knows each other, of course.

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1928.556 - 1944.169 Gio

That's where they find all these coaches. And one of the things that John Harbaugh did, I'm sure, is spoke to Brian Dayball. And Brian Dayball gave a glowing review of coaching here in New York and coaching for the Mara and Tish families. So...

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1944.149 - 1965.195 Gio

There was no way going down the road as far as they went that something as little as, hey, I need to report to the owner was going to off track this thing. There was no way because right now, as we sit here, John Harbaugh has the power in the building. He is the number one alpha guy. He's the guy.

1965.547 - 1974.978 Boomer Esiason

Yeah, now you don't have a problem with, I don't have a problem with, because it's John Harbaugh, the fact that he gets to report to ownership as well as Joe Shane, right? I mean, this is a unique situation.

1974.998 - 1991.638 Gio

It's a unique situation, and Joe Shane has got to show John Harbaugh that he can get him the players that he wants, and those players are going to turn into something. And quite frankly, I think John Mara's health probably had a little bit more to do with Joe Shane staying here than anything else.

1991.618 - 2010.924 Gio

and he wanted to have somebody in there, at least that he has built a relationship with, to try to find the right guy. And then I do think that Chris Mayer getting down to Baltimore immediately and having lunch at John's house, I think that was a big part of this whole thing too. I don't want to underestimate that because Chris has kind of been an in-and-out guy. You know what I mean?

2010.944 - 2025.832 Gio

And I don't think that's going to be the case anymore. I think Chris is probably going to be even more involved than he's ever been. I don't know if people out there like that or they don't like it. But now somebody's got to put the big boy pants on as John is going through what he's going through and lead this franchise.

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