Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Personally, we all think that the season's way too long. To me, most sports fans would love a truncated season in basketball and a smaller season sample in baseball. The other sports, they want to add an 18 game to football and nobody seems to complain about how long the hockey season is. Well, I don't know about that.
I love hockey, and I think hockey... They shouldn't be playing hockey at Lakeview.
They shouldn't. Yeah, well, I'll tell you, you know, it's interesting. With my team out of it and in last place still, even though they're playing really well right now, it's kind of a weird feeling. Like, you know... Now you're watching actually hockey you like to watch, and the players that are now being asked to play more on the ice are playing better and playing really well.
I mean, you know, the Rangers beat Minnesota the other day, and it was basically a team that is one of the better teams in the Western Conference and is one of the odds-on favorite to win the Stanley Cup. They go in there and they score four goals on them. It's like, what the hell is going on?
Three months ago. Yes. You know, for the length of the season. But in terms of the season, so you're bringing up something that Steve Kerr has been on now for a few weeks. This is not just something new from yesterday.
I'd love to hear what he has to say about this.
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Chapter 2: What are the arguments for reducing the length of the NBA season?
NFL is king. They basically dictate their terms.
To go back to what Josh Hart was saying about the NBA, he's 100% right that nobody's taking less money. And all these players and coaches in the NBA all have guaranteed money. It's all guaranteed. So if you think that somebody is going to say, yeah, I'll take 15% less to play 15% less games, you're out of your mind.
Not happening. It's never going to happen, I don't believe, not in this day and age. Even though I would agree, I think both the NBA and the NHL seasons are a little bit too long. To me, it's not even a matter of the amount of games. The season goes on too long. And then you've got like – and I know – They always say, fans, old man Jones, you're back in my day. Fine.
But when I see Carmelo Anthony and Vince Carter talking about how they didn't need these rest days and they wanted to play and the season wasn't too long for them and it was competitive every night, it's been like this. I don't know.
It's very strange now. I feel like this has been going on for at least 10 years in the NBA, the maintenance days. That's probably about right. And I remember, it's not an argument, but one of the things that I had a problem with was the fact that if you are a Charlotte Hornet fan and you know that, say, back in the day that Miami Heat were coming to play you. One time. One time.
And you wanted to see LeBron and Bosh and Wade, and you wanted to see those guys. Maybe you were a Miami fan living in Charlotte, North Carolina. Yep. And you spent who knows how much money those tickets cost back then. And then those guys were not playing because it was maintenance night. That's where you really have a problem if you're an NBA, if you're the NBA commissioner.
And for me, if you're going to do that, then you better do it at home. Don't do it on the road when your team only goes to that city maybe once or twice.
Though you would still run into the same problem for that one family that can only go to the one game, but it's fewer or far between because you have season ticket holders.
But once again, it's your home team you're doing it to. You're not doing it to an away team that hasn't seen your players. And you probably have a ticket surcharge because of those players.
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Chapter 3: How do other sports leagues handle their season lengths?
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Compared to, now I know baseball, they play a million games. The NBA and the NHL, they play a million games. And football is 17 games and out and you get to the playoffs if you're, you know, the fan of a specific team. But, you know, here's what I do know. Cubs-Brewers on Saturday Night Baseball on Fox. Just throwing that out there. Draws flies anywhere but Chicago and Milwaukee.
You put the Carolina Panthers on against the Jacksonville Jaguars on Thursday Night Football. While those numbers might be down, you still get 13 million people that watch it. Do you know how much CBS pays the NFL right now? I don't. If you were going to ask me to take a guess, I would say probably somewhere like...
six seven hundred million dollars a year yeah so it's it's 2.1 billion all in okay all multi-years right multi-years so this new contract will probably go to somewhere like 3.2 or 3.3 billion for how many years would that take them all the way out to 2023 i believe 2033 yes So that would start, I don't know if it would start this year or next year, probably next year.
But when you think about this and you think about how CBS, NBC, Fox, they need live sports programming. This is why NBC got back into the NBA. Because people will watch live sporting events.
We're not watching a lot of programming anymore.
That's exactly right. There's no Thursday TV on NBC.
CBS does a pretty good job with their shows. But you're right. There's not a lot.
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Chapter 4: What financial implications arise from shortening the NBA season?
You can go to Paramount and watch all the shows. That is true. You watch when you want to watch. But the point being is that how do you sell... to actually try to even break even if you're CBS.
So where's the point of no return, essentially? Where's the line to where you're basically overextending? But I don't know that there is one with this.
And you also have to remember that it used to be there was a rotation, I believe, of three networks that got the Super Bowl. And every third year, they'd get that Super Bowl, and they would make some of their money back. Now you have ESPNs involved with the Super Bowl. I think it's four now. And who knows if one of these streaming giants is going to end up getting one of these things.
You're not wrong.
I don't think you're wrong at all.
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Chapter 5: Why do players resist reducing the number of games in the NBA?
Louie in Jersey. What's up, Lou?
Hey, hello. Homer? Yeah, what do you got, Louie? I called a few times. I told you, not that you remember, I'm 82. I saw every game you can. Here's my problem today. My friend was complaining. He was going to see the Nets. Who's the one that left? He's a superstar. He went to see him. He said, I don't want to cost me to go to a game. The guy left. And I said to him, you know your problem?
He don't care for you. And I know you actually, maybe back in the day, they don't care. And when they get traded or moved, they get more money.
Well, you heard James Harden.
You're right. I never saw him after he said, we'll take less money, but that poor guy coming to the game pays less to see us.
Well, that's never going to happen. That's never happening. I'm going to tell you right now, in 1987, we went on strike. In that August of 87, I signed what was then the largest contract in NFL history, believe it or not. And it was, unless other guys were getting paid under the table, and I wouldn't doubt that was going on in San Francisco.
You know, I signed a six-year or five-year, $6 million contract. August of 87, September of 87, we're on strike. The players go on strike because many of the players weren't making that much money. Now a player will make more in one game than many players have made in their entire careers. Oh, yeah. So that strike actually meant something. The players will never strike again, ever.
Because the money is too big. And I would also say in baseball, while we're celebrating the World Baseball Classic, we're getting ready for the 26th season here. I'm just telling you that when this lockout hits next year, it has nothing to do with the players. The players are happy.
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Chapter 6: What role does TV revenue play in the NBA's scheduling decisions?
This is about Major League Baseball ownership and trying to reset the CBA. And it's not about paying less money to the players overall. It's about spending the money more equally overall to all the teams. Because they're probably at least, would you say... 50% of the teams have no shot at a World Series. Probably more.
60%? Yeah, I would say 10 out of 30 probably have a chance.
Right, so these owners are going to lock the players out, and they're going to try to force them to agree to some sort of salary cap or salary floor kind of situation. And I don't see how the players are going to agree to it.
They probably won't, which is why we've been saying, and not that we want to focus on it today, but I agree with you that the chance that there's baseball next year is not great. I think there's a very good chance that Al will get his wish and he will have a summer free of baseball.
And remember this, it's really about the owners. It's the discrepancy between the Dodgers, the Mets, the Cubs, the Red Sox, the Phillies, and the Kansas City Royals, the Milwaukee Brewers, the Arizona Diamondbacks.
You got two things in play, in my opinion, because I actually think the luxury tax works, except for the Dodgers. I think the Yankees, we've seen Hal Steinbrenner. He doesn't want to go over it, so it was put in place, and it does work in most cases. Maybe Steve Cohen goes over it, but doesn't go over it like the Dodgers.
But if you're Hal Steinbrenner... And people were saying, you don't want to go over the luxury tax. That's not a good thing. He wants that out of there. He doesn't want to have to fight with people about luxury taxing. You're the Yankees. You're worth this much money. We expect you to spend this much money. That is a lot of pressure on him.
So you think he'd prefer a hard cap to show that he's not allowed to spend more?
Not 100%.
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