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Breakfast Business with Joe Lynam

Promotional pricing and why it makes us feel good?

01 Dec 2025

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Chapter 1: What promotional strategies are effective on Cyber Monday?

1.516 - 5.485 Jenny Miller

Breakfast Business with Enterprise Ireland on Newstalk.

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8.502 - 22.401 Susan Hayes-Cullerton

with Susan Hayes-Cullerton in for Joe Lynham today. Well, we had Singles Day in Asia, Black Friday all over the world last Friday. We had Small Business Saturday in Mayo and today is Cyber Monday. It's a day for businesses to offer all sorts of sales.

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Chapter 2: How do discounts influence customer behavior and emotions?

22.442 - 38.888 Susan Hayes-Cullerton

But the question is, how should business leaders know what kinds of promotions work best and what are the pitfalls that they should be hoping to avoid? So with me now to take us through all of this is Jenny Miller, CEO of Untapped Pricing. Good morning, Jenny. Good morning.

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39.509 - 58.375 Susan Hayes-Cullerton

Well, Jenny, I was looking at the Black Friday sales data and Salesforce found that online Black Friday US sales grew 3% to $18 billion. Shopify's offline sales data collected from its point of sale channel saw 26% growth year over year in the US. How are customers reacting behaviourally to price promotions?

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60.078 - 74.574 Jenny Miller

Well, I think discounts don't just change the price. They change how we feel. So when we spot a good deal, our brains give us that little dopamine hit and we think we're getting something for less than it should cost.

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Chapter 3: What are the risks of extending promotional periods like Black Friday?

74.874 - 78.378 Susan Hayes-Cullerton

And perhaps a bit of FOMO as well. Fear of missing out.

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79.359 - 104.257 Jenny Miller

Exactly that. So Black Friday in particular turns shopping into a game. So you've got those countdown clocks, limited stock, early access codes. And that all plays into our fear of missing out and I think nudges us to act quickly, especially when everyone's talking about those bargains and we don't want to be the only one paying the full price later.

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104.277 - 119.914 Susan Hayes-Cullerton

But also, I must ask, Black Friday used to be a Friday and now I've certainly seen things to do with Black Friday deals being offered long before. So some might argue that if the deals go on for long, they kind of lose their urgency and appeal. What do you think?

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121.244 - 133.521 Jenny Miller

Yeah, I think the Black Friday period has extended and extended as retailers are trying to reshape what the promotional period means for them.

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Chapter 4: How do promotions affect long-term customer value perceptions?

134.383 - 142.214 Susan Hayes-Cullerton

And how can promotions then shape customer expectations and particularly value perceptions long term?

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143.736 - 164.633 Jenny Miller

Yeah, so I think promotions don't just move when we buy. They can reshape our sense of what things are worth. So let's say we see our favorite trainers at 75% off in November, then paying full price for them in February is suddenly going to feel like you're being wildly overcharged and we start to resent paying that much.

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165.955 - 186.498 Jenny Miller

So I think if brands discount too regularly or for extended periods of time, especially on products that were selling just fine, customers can start thinking the original price is never fair. And that's when you start to get some long-term damage to brand trust and value perception.

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187.079 - 211.621 Susan Hayes-Cullerton

But also too, Jenny, since we have as much data and comparison websites, et cetera, at our fingertips today, Is there a sense then that people can also feel, well, is this really 75% off? I mean, if I looked at this three months ago, is it really 60% off? Do you think that retailers, through experiences like Black Friday, are they positive or negative over that brand trust sort of experience?

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213.564 - 239.423 Jenny Miller

Yeah, so I think some discounts are absolutely as they seem, but others sometimes they aren't. So retailers can make a discount look bigger sometimes, by briefly inflating the original price or using up to X percent of savings. So the deepest discounts apply to very few items. But my advice is quite simple.

Chapter 5: What common marketing mistakes should businesses avoid during sales?

239.804 - 249.7 Jenny Miller

Check the price history, look across retailers and really focus on the products that you'd buy anyway. So you can avoid those hype traps.

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249.764 - 259.937 Susan Hayes-Cullerton

And that's very useful advice from a consumer perspective. But from a business perspective, what do they need to do or not to do? What should they be avoiding either in terms of marketing mistakes?

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261.66 - 289.232 Jenny Miller

So there are a few pitfalls that we see every year. So I'd say the biggest one is training customers to wait for a deal. So if you go too big every November, people will delay buying and only show up when everything's on sale. So either you attract discount only shoppers who won't be back until the next sale or Black Friday ends up shifting the time of purchases.

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289.532 - 301.354 Jenny Miller

So instead of increasing total revenue during the Christmas season, it just pulled forward that purchasing at a discounted price and lower margins.

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301.79 - 322.011 Susan Hayes-Cullerton

Well, it's interesting you say that because a couple of weeks ago I went into, and I will keep this nameless, a beauty brand provider because I wanted to get a specific thing done. And they said to me, the person who was there, the receptionist at the place, she said to me, well, you know, the deals will be a lot better in Black Friday. And I was going in ready to buy at that stage.

322.252 - 327.477 Susan Hayes-Cullerton

So then I promptly walked out and waited indeed for Black Friday. Now, what advice would you give to that person?

Chapter 6: How can retailers build trust through loyalty schemes?

327.457 - 334.085 Susan Hayes-Cullerton

To that type of sales training technique, because fundamentally it shifted the consumption, but also, of course, created the space then for me to go to a competitor.

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335.867 - 364.43 Jenny Miller

Did. Yeah, I think that's another classic mistake is discounting the wrong products. So slashing prices on items that would have sold anyway. And I think that destroys margin on the products with the healthiest demand. And just as you did, you may then consider delaying the purchase or going elsewhere. So as a result, I think a retailer's revenue headlines can look fantastic for Black Friday.

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364.491 - 371.385 Jenny Miller

But once you strip out those discounts and returns, the profit story looks a lot less exciting.

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372.074 - 389.812 Susan Hayes-Cullerton

And that's a very, very good point because we tend to focus on what were the sales. In fact, even the data that I presented at the beginning of our conversation didn't investigate into the profitability of it. Now, I did mention Singles Day earlier on as well in our conversation. It's the biggest retail day in the year, far outstripping Black Friday.

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390.332 - 401.203 Susan Hayes-Cullerton

It has its origins in Asia and it certainly puts the emphasis on treating oneself rather than on snapping up deals. So what pricing or other techniques do you see typically at this time of year?

401.993 - 404.216 Jenny Miller

Quite a mix.

Chapter 7: What practical advice should consumers consider during sales events?

404.857 - 434.147 Jenny Miller

So I think the big headline offers are still there, say 50% off or 75% off key products. So very deep discounts that are quite easy to shout about and they drive traffic quickly. Some retailers lean more on bundles or multi-buy offers. So you'll buy one, get the second half price because that's quite good at lifting basket size. without slashing the margin across the board.

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434.928 - 455.794 Jenny Miller

And I think loyalty schemes are also taking centre stage. So supermarkets, beauty brands, sports retailers are offering the best deals to members through apps or early access windows. And that's quite a smart move because it turns Black Friday into a relationship building moment.

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456.618 - 470.959 Susan Hayes-Cullerton

Well, from a relationship building point of view, do loyalty schemes fundamentally reshape the asymmetric nature of the relationship because then the company knows an awful lot more about the customer than the other way around?

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472.541 - 507.531 Jenny Miller

They can do. They can do. I think if retailers are clear on why they're running a promotion... That might be to sort of bring new customers into that loyalty scheme or reward existing customers or shift specific stock. Then, you know, if they have data on and permission to contact a particular individual, then those moments to influence their behaviour and build recognition of that brand extend.

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507.952 - 519.532 Susan Hayes-Cullerton

Sorry, Jenny, we're right up against time there. It's been really interesting to talk to you and some Fantastic practical information there to take away. Thank you very much indeed for joining me today. That is Jenny Miller, CEO of Untapped Pricing.

520.013 - 533.301 Susan Hayes-Cullerton

And still to come on Breakfast Business this morning, we hear from UCD Smurfit School following news they remain Ireland's top-ranked European business school.

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