Queer Emergence

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What is the opening premise and format of Queer Emergence?

Aaron Smith 0:00
Welcome to Breaking Form, a podcast of poetry and culture, where we get real about queer life and art. We're your host, I'm Aaron Smith. And I'm James Allen Hall. If you're listening for the first time, we play spicy literary games. We revisit poems that we love.
James Allen Hall 0:22
We serve hot takes on poetry and pobiz. We
Aaron Smith 0:26
read you to filth. We gossip. We shade. We laugh and we are not for everyone.
James Allen Hall 0:46
Aaron, did you know that the word fellowship is a verb as well?
Aaron Smith 0:51
I did 'cause I grew up in the Appalachian churches.
James Allen Hall 0:54
Yes. And so when someone, you know, wants to fellowship with you, does that what what what happens in your body?
Aaron Smith 1:01
They're usually on their knees with their mouth open.
James Allen Hall 1:04
Okay. I just wanted to make sure that we knew.
Aaron Smith 1:07
No, you really at like the tent revivals, that means that they would sing a song often and then everybody had to get up and shake hands with everybody and then gather around the altar for prayer requests and then pray together at the altar. And everybody prays at the same time in different prayers. So it's like this it's scary. It's like a horror movie, you know, if you didn't grow up with it. Yeah.
James Allen Hall 1:26
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I was watching a a a show, uh a like a true crime documentary where they were fellowshipping with each other.
Aaron Smith 1:35
Yes.
James Allen Hall 1:36
And um they all went to um they met each other. This w this woman met her husband and they fellowshipped together and he eventually fellowshipped with another man. But anyway we're getting ahead of myself.
Aaron Smith 1:48
They always would hug and my sister and mom would get creeped out because the men in the church would hug and like they would always like pus put their chest against their th you know, their chest. So it's really grossed out. So my mom started learning how to like hug the men kind of sideways. Yeah, sister bub, you know. So it's just creepy. Side
James Allen Hall 2:05
hugs girl, yeah.
Aaron Smith 2:06
Yeah. Yeah,
James Allen Hall 2:07
that's what I do at AWP too.
Aaron Smith 2:09
Really? No, you just told all of our listeners so they'll know not to hug you now.
James Allen Hall 2:13
Well I mean The people I don't know I just say, I just lift my shirt up and go give 'em a twist, you know? So what are we talking about today besides fellowshipping? So I don't know why the fellowshipping thing hit me because but like I thought you would know that. But I feel like like queer poetry. Is kind of like a lineage, right? Like I know Adrian Rich is really problematic, but like when she says in diving into the wreck, there is a ladder and we know what it's for, those of us who who've used it.

How do the hosts explore the concept of “fellowship” and its queer implications?

James Allen Hall 2:48
I knew exactly what that fucking meant as a closeted, like 18 year old in intro to poetry as an undergrad. You know what I mean? You were about to walk over and put your heels
Aaron Smith 3:00
on and ascend.
James Allen Hall 3:01
That's it. Yeah, or descend. Or
Aaron Smith 3:03
descend, yes.
James Allen Hall 3:04
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Either way, right? But I either way I was coming up wet, you know? That's your memoir. Yes. So, you know, we've we've done a lot this season with with sort of like, you know, poems that like touchstone for us, you know, like formed us, like we did the gay 90s show, which was so much fun. Yes. Um, but I wanted to look at poets who don't have a book yet, queer poets who are who are coming up. Um And, you know, just I mean, as an editor I'm always trying to look for a new talent, you know. But yeah, and sign them and get them into the boy band. But anyway, so that's why I was thinking about fellowship, uh thinking about lineage and uh community. And Lambda literary fellowships. So I looked at a lot of Lambda literary fellows.
James Allen Hall 3:55
I looked at um a journal called And Change. Me too. Yeah. And t tell us about that journal.
Aaron Smith 4:03
It's started by Kevin Bertolero and it's for gay poetry. And he wanted from if I remember correctly, to have the old school vibe. And yeah, it's like publishes eight or nine gay poets in issue and they're really beautiful.
James Allen Hall 4:17
They're really beautiful. And it's a range of of poets in terms of like where they are in their careers, you know. I was, I think, in an issue with this upstart Randy Mann. So who has way more books than me? Way more books and way more way more um body count. I I don't know, right? I know. I think he has more more swimsuits than I do.

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