Author, Elizabeth Strout: “A marriage can be a lonely place”
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What inspired Elizabeth Strout's latest novel, 'The Things We Never Say'?
Elizabeth Strout won the Pulitzer Prize for her much-loved novel Olive Kitteridge and she inspires fanatical devotion among her readers in Ireland, I know, and around the world. Her new book is called The Things We Never Say and it's a great book and I'm not just saying that because she's sitting across from me. Welcome back to the show, Elizabeth. How are you?
Very nice to be here. Thank you so much.
And it's nice to have you here in person this time. You're here, I think, among other things for the Burris Festival of Writing and Ideas and to see us, of course. Do you like visiting Ireland?
I love Ireland. I've always loved Ireland. I came here when I was 18 years old for the first time and I just thought it was amazing. It's so beautiful.
Yeah. What resonates here with you?
Well, first of all, the beauty of it and also the people are just great. I just have a real fondness for Ireland.
OK, you're doing well so far. So the new book is called The Things We Never Say. And I would say it's another kind of quiet depth charge of a book, right? Because I had read it a few weeks ago and it was only when I was kind of re-engaging, thinking about it again, that I realised I've been a bit unsettled. since I read it in a good way I think like that I'm probably I'm the main character's age and everything and it just does and I realise I've been a bit outside myself since kind of looking at myself that's interesting right so tell us a bit about it
Well, I don't know if I can—I guess I'm not going to give away any spoilers, right? No, don't. That's why I'm letting you do the summarizing. Okay, well, it's a little hard to talk without giving out, so I'm not going to. But it's about a 57-year-old high school teacher of history, and he's been a wonderful teacher. He loves his students, and it's really about his time in history because his time in history is changing. And therefore his life is going to change and his personal life is changing and his professional life is changing.
Which makes it sound quite simple in a way, but it's anything but simple. I suppose, look, loneliness is a theme here. It's one of your themes anyway. So Artie Dam is lonely, but it's not because he doesn't have people in his life. What is his loneliness?
Well, you know, when the book first starts and he's feeling quite desolate, as I was writing that, I thought, what am I going to do with this? How am I going to get myself out of this? And then all of a sudden, well, not all of a sudden, but very slowly, actually, I began to understand, oh, I actually knew what I was doing unconsciously. I was setting it up for him to feel lonely because his wife has... withdrawn from him intermittently during that time period. And his son has withdrawn from him quite a bit during that time period. And then I realized why. And I thought, oh, this is why Artie is feeling sad. And this is what he's going to find out.
Okay, so this presents itself as it goes along to you. Okay, Artie was there and you weren't sure what was going on with him.
Yeah, it was funny because I kept thinking, this isn't such a great way to start a book. But then I realized, oh, now I know.
On loneliness, not necessarily being, not having people in your life. You have a quote from Carl Jung at the start of the book.
How does Elizabeth Strout define loneliness in marriage?
Loneliness does not come from having no people about one, but from being unable to communicate the things that seem important to oneself or from holding certain views which others find inadmissible. Why did that strike a chord with you?
Because I found that about sort of halfway through the book, I'd been reading a biography of Carl Jung. Otherwise, I know nothing about him, but I find his biography to be really interesting. And I found that quote, and I thought, wait a minute, this is actually exactly what I'm trying to say in this book. So I think maybe I'll stick it at the beginning.
Yeah.
Because Artie does have friends, and he does. But it's also about not being able to say the things that others would find inadmissible. You know, it summed it up rather well, I thought.
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Chapters
6 chapters
1
What inspired Elizabeth Strout's latest novel, 'The Things We Never Say'?
0:00–3:12
2
How does Elizabeth Strout define loneliness in marriage?
3:12–6:31
3
What themes of loneliness are explored in the book?
6:31–10:36
4
How does Carl Jung's quote relate to the theme of communication?
10:36–23:32
5
What moments of grace does Elizabeth Strout mention?
23:32–29:00
6
How has the pandemic influenced social interactions?
29:00–31:15