Brendan O'Connor
Richard Hogan: “Too many feel their boundaries should never be breached”
06 Jun 2026
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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Psychotherapist Richard Hogan, welcome. Thank you, Brendan. So Richard, it's kind of all related. We're going to talk about boundaries today. What do we mean by boundaries?
Yeah, that's a great question because I think people have such the wrong idea. It's become a thing now, hasn't it?
Chapter 2: What are boundaries and why are they important?
Boundaries, yeah. It's all about walling people out and about how you force people to respect you. And it's not that at all. For me, boundaries. When I was listening to that Elizabeth Stroud interview, I thought it was beautiful. And she was quoting Jung saying about loneliness doesn't come from not being surrounded by people. It comes from you being able to communicate what matters to you.
And the way I see it around boundaries is that deep loneliness doesn't come from not having people around you. It's the extent to which you can be known by the people around you. To be known. Exactly. That's the key part.
It's kind of seen and heard. Exactly. But to be known.
To be known. And that's so important because how we're known comes through our boundaries. So it's about how we let people in. Because people always think boundaries are about like, you know, a wall. They always think it's about like, you know, stopping things and forcing people to... to respect your... It's not about that at all.
It's about a way of being consistently in the world so that we protect our well-being, our time. I mean, my energy, jeez. That wasn't something I needed to protect in my teenage years, in my twenties. But by God, in the last number of years, it's something I have to protect my energy. And so a boundary around that is really important. It's about protecting values, you know, about being safe.
So our boundaries are actually positive things.
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Chapter 3: How do boundaries relate to communication and loneliness?
Protecting our values, that's an interesting one. It's a really important thing. So you end up in situations where... For sure. You go along with things or whatever, yeah, and actually... It's corrosive a bit.
And you're going home, you say, I shouldn't have been a part of it. I shouldn't have allowed the conversation to go. I should have had a bit more authenticity about ourselves. And so it's about being authentic and all the rest of it. And so that's the key thing about boundaries. They're not about you trying to govern someone else. They're about how you govern yourself.
So they're about the demonstration of self-respect, really. And then you get known, you know, that's how you're known then. You know what I mean?
So your boundaries are not about protecting your authentic self. They are actually about expressing your authentic self.
How you allow people to see your authentic self. Absolutely, that's it.
That's the distinction. It's an important one. So describe to me what somebody with good boundaries looks like.
It's really interesting because I think about this a lot and I write about this a lot. A person with good boundaries says yes when they mean it. And they say no when they mean it. So they're much more easier to understand. I love people who push back against me on things and don't agree with me on things. Because I know you're real now.
Because if you're agreeing with everything, you're saying yes to everything. I have no map for you. I can't understand you because I don't know what you really feel here. So a person who has real boundaries... It's not like the image you could have as Vinnie Jones is tough. It's not that at all. Real boundaries are kind of boring and dull and unseen and subtle and all that.
And they're the kind of things where you say yes to things you want to do and no to things you don't. You don't overly explain yourself when you have good boundaries. And you don't take on the feelings of other people. You know what I mean? And particularly my work, you know, you don't take on the other people's emotions or other people's emotions. They can't be my emotions.
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Chapter 4: What distinguishes authoritative parenting from authoritarian parenting?
Yeah, yeah, because this is the thing. You could say, all right, our boundaries should be subtle and we shouldn't have to express them. But if someone is ignoring boundaries that you are kind of clearly indicating, It can be hard to manage that without seeming like the difficult person then. Do you have to sometimes explicitly communicate?
You do, absolutely. What you said there, can I just pick that out? Because that is such an important thing. I do so many talks and I work with so many people on this. And what you said there about not wanting to seem to be the difficult person. That is such a destructive place for us, right? And it's a place that a lot of people get positioned at and they think, and I'd work it through.
So I'd do a kind of a role plan and say, let's say I'm in work. I come to you, Brendan, I ask you for this. And you say, no, what's the worst thing I would say? And you'd say, well, that I'd go away to someone and say, God, that Brendan's so difficult. He'd never helped. So you're unhelpful. That's the worst thing that you're difficult.
Yeah.
But it's not your role to take that on. And so that's my annoyance about the fact that you're not taking it off me. And so me labelling you as difficult is me.
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Chapter 5: How can you identify someone with healthy boundaries?
That's a me thing. So why am I so fearful of me thinking you're difficult by you having a boundary?
Okay. And that's actually a boundary in itself. It's not to be in the other people's heads wondering what they're thinking about us.
That is a shackle. If we freed ourselves from that idea of being difficult, you know, or being, oh God, he's just, you know, unhelpful. Sometimes it's not our role to take that on and it's not our job to do that. And sometimes we have to put those parameters around us and say, that's not me now, that's not for me.
And if you go down to the pub... You can't control what everyone else is thinking about you.
No, and if you go down to the pub and say, God, Richard Hogan's an awful blah, blah, blah, blah, that's you down at the pub. That's not my issue. That's a you issue. And, you know, OK, good luck. Good luck with it.
Yeah, people are very, very... Terrified of conflict. ...obsessed with what other people think of them.
Well, I think Irish people particularly, and I see it clinically borne out all the time,
What would people think?
Yeah, what would people think? And then the fear, but that might bring me into a conflict. Yes. An argument. And I'm saying, so what?
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Chapter 6: What strategies can help in setting boundaries with difficult individuals?
It can be very callous. People can weaponise boundaries, these ideas of boundaries, they can weaponise them. I mightn't even know how transgressed you are.
Right. You know what I mean?
It can be really callous and all of a sudden you just end the friendship or whatever it is. You know, you pull your kids away from your grandparents or whatever it is because they said something. It's really important before you ever get to that idea of estrangement. And estrangement might be required. You know what I mean?
I was giving this talk recently and someone said to me, and it was a really common case study, my father-in-law, she said, you know, about my kids, two daughters. My father-in-law said something to my daughter who... who was seven, I think, at the time, that the dress didn't look nice on her. It would look nice on the younger daughter. And she said she didn't wear a dress for months, right?
And she said, I thought about withdrawing the kids. And I said, but, you know, how old is your father-in-law? She was like, he's nearing his 80s. I said, OK, let's put that in context. He's in a different Ireland, different Ireland, child development, child psychology, talking how you talk. I was like, how about you talk to him clearly? Because how people respond...
human beings actually respond better to clarity than subtle resentment and avoidance and estrangement. Okay, okay. This is revolutionary stuff you're suggesting. It is, well, it is. And if I said, well, what would the conversation look like? You know, I'd say you sit down with them and say, we love you, the kids love you. I'd do it really positive. The kids love you.
But when you said that to Sarah or Sandra or whatever about the dress, it really hurt her feeling she didn't wear dresses for ages. Could you not maybe comment on their appearance and that kind of stuff?
And then if that's repeatedly violated, then I'd be kind of moving towards, you know, you protecting and advocating for your child and saying, look, I can't bring them over because they're hurt for so long. Now you're actually having a really clear conversation on your boundaries.
Yeah, but I think I think a lot of people do find it difficult to set boundaries with their adult parents because they're maybe often like. Adult parents can be minded not to take the hint, like, and they'll just barge in and they'll go, look, you know, I wiped your arse, don't talk back to me.
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Chapter 7: How do you communicate boundaries effectively in relationships?
This is the sea. That's autocratic.
You know what I mean? That's authoritarian as a boundary. Authoritative is the way to be with a boundary. A boundary is like this, you know what I mean? It's a really important idea. It moves. Okay. It's not rigid. If you hit a boundary... And it's rigid. You've annihilated the spirit of your child.
You know, when a child meets a boundary and they break it, you're trying to inform, the boundary comes back into place, but you explain to them what they did there and what's coming in now as a result of that and why that's happened. You know what I mean? When I had younger kids, they'd throw a tantrum at the cash register for the Peppa Pig magazine because that was nuclear option, right?
That was the biggest moment you could throw a tantrum. And I'd say, well, you're not getting the magazine now because you threw the tantrum when they're in the car and they're calming down. and say that that didn't get you the magazine. It's not getting you the magazine because you threw the tantrum next week.
You would have got it next week, but except that behaviour now, it's not getting it next week. And maybe if we see it the week after that, you might get the magazine there. So you're just like, it's not rigid. It's not automatic.
And not undermining their sense of sound.
Exactly. And that's really important for kids when you're setting boundaries. They'll break them, allow them to break them, but bring it back into place. And language matters. When you say you're never going out again, you're never going on your device, you know, all this, how can you do that to your child? And then your language is meaningless.
Okay, now partners, right? Like a lot of people don't have boundaries with their partner. A lot of people have too many boundaries. How do you have healthy boundaries with your partner? Again, they're kind of invisible.
A really healthy relationship. But see, a lot of people think that like when you're in a deep, intimate relationship, there are absolutely no boundaries and you know each other completely, not really transparent. And there's no space in there that's just for you. And that's rubbish. That's rubbish as I see it. You know what I mean?
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