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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Welcome to the Busted Open Podcast. This is Dave LaGreca. On today's episode, myself and Bully Talk clash in Italy, especially Oba Femi and Brock Lesnar. Also, we have a very special guest, Hall of Famer John Bradshaw, Layfield, JBL, who was at the desk.
Chapter 2: What happened at WWE Clash in Italy between Brock Lesnar and Oba Femi?
for AAA on Saturday, mask versus mask. His thoughts right here on the Busted Open Podcast. This is the Busted Open Podcast.
If they are going to a last man standing match at SummerSlam, which I think we would both love to see, I think a lot of people out there would love to see also, I would have loved to have seen Oba make it back to his feet. The last shot of Oba was in the corner down on one knee while Brock was yelling at him, one plus one, or one and one.
I would have loved to have seen Oba actually make it to his feet after eating the loss, after seven F5s, and when Oba got back to his feet, I would love to have seen Brock be like, one and one, and Brock just looks like a beast and a monster, and he's talking to Oba, but Oba stands back up, and then all of a sudden, Brock's face goes just a little bit blank, like...
How the F did he get back up again?
Chapter 3: What insights does JBL share about AAA Noche de Los Grandes?
Thus you can come back with Oba saying, yes, Brock, you beat me, but you never kept me down. I was still standing in Italy. I love it. I love it. And that right there is the... Is antithesis the right word? The antithesis?
Yeah, no, yeah, you got it. Whatever.
Chapter 4: How does the mask vs. mask match work in AAA wrestling?
The beginning. I think you added an extra T, but it's all good. No, but... You talked about selling, and you talked about Oba selling. I want to talk about Brock selling yesterday for just a second. When Oba was able to get back into the ring and not get counted out, and you saw Brock's face like whole ā like I just F5'd him for a sixth time through a table.
How the hell is he getting back up on his feet and getting back in the ring? And the look on Brock's face said it all. And I like the fact that it's one and one, and we're going to get this ā
rubber match between the two it didn't have the same effect but it felt like that undertaker moment when undertaker sat up and brought and brock sat up and they were both laughing at each other's face to see obafemi just get up out of the rubble at six get to his feet at seven get back in the ring and standing there
Stuff like that really resonates, and it tells a hell of a story as to we know that Brock is a destructive beast, but Oba is the ruler.
Chapter 5: What are the implications of Brock Lesnar's victory over Oba Femi?
He is a warrior, and he is going to just keep on coming at you. And those running European uppercuts that he hit Brock with in the corner, those things were stout. They were there. They were on point. And I loved how they come up out of the rubble of the announce table, the running European uppercuts, and Oba is about to put Brock away, picks him up in the powerbomb. Now...
picks him up in the powerbomb, and then Brock is able to pop up over Oba's head, spin him around, and F5 him for the final one, two, three. Up until that point, how much time do you think was invested in the match, Dave? I want to say six, seven minutes, maybe. Six, seven minutes of those two mammoths. Those two beasts, those two warriors, those two very big, muscular men going at it.
Hitting each other with bombs. Yep. Now we have to do something, for lack of a better word, Lucha-esque. Oba has to pick Brock up in the powerbomb position. Hold him at the top. You have all of Brock Lesnar's 255, 65, 70 pounds of dense muscle pushing down on your shoulders. This is where muscular endurance in a ring becomes so important.
This is where the Cenas of the world and the Claudios of the world are... have the best wind in the business because they have the best muscular endurance, being able to do feats of strength deep into a match. Now, I know it's only six or seven minutes, but that's deep for these two beasts. Brock pops up over the head.
Now, that means that Oba has to go like he has to motion like he's going to go through with the powerbomb. So you have to pick that dead weight up straight over your head like a press maneuver in an Olympic lift. Like any kind of those lifts that Mark Henry did back in the day. You got to press up and Brock has to get momentum.
He has to create his own momentum and push off of Obis traps so he can clear another foot to a foot and a half that's Obis head. Crazy. Land over, jump over him. Land on his feet. You got to stick the landing. If you fall, it looks weird. stick the landing, now turn him around and pick him back up for another F5. That moment in time, so impressive from those two big men.
It speaks to the chemistry, it speaks to the muscular endurance, it speaks to the commitment to the finish. I have been involved in matches before, and I've coached before. I've said this on LFG. Me and Booker have said this so much on the first three seasons of LFG, where talent wants to do a move, and we're like, yeah... It's fine that you want to do this move.
It's great that you can do it in practice. But what happens when you have to do that move 10, 12, 15 minutes in the match and you're sweaty or he or she is sweaty? Do you have what it takes? Do you have the gas in the tank? Do you have the muscular endurance to do this move well and safely? And Oba and Brock did it perfectly. And it resulted in the finish.
And those people went ballistic. And it should have been the finish because that powerbomb, you know, the fall from grace, that's Oba's finish. That's how he finishes matches. So if you're going to get Brock to pop up out of that and then hit that F5, the perfect way to end the match yesterday. And that's exactly what happened.
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Chapter 6: What makes the storytelling in wrestling matches effective?
The only reason I say that is because you didn't get any wonkiness. You got just by pure will, Oba won the first match, and by pure will, Brock won the second. You don't necessarily need a stipulation for the third match.
What would they do in the third match that was any different than the first or second, though?
As far as the match itself, probably nothing.
So it would become a bit redundant. We saw a domination by Oba at WrestleMania. We saw a domination by Brock in Turin. What would we see in a third match that had no stipulations? It'd kind of be... a lot of the same.
Yeah, probably.
Probably, but that's okay. But that's okay, yeah. I will agree with you that that's okay because if they do the build the right way and Brock does put, you know, truly puts his career on the line, it can definitely work. However... My opinion, there's only one way to settle it with the last, forget about man, last warrior standing. Because I think this is about two warriors, you know, fighting.
If it wasn't a last man standing match. And if it wasn't a just regular match like you had suggested. I heard two other suggestions over the past 24 hours. Would like to get your opinion on these two suggestions.
Okay.
The obvious one was Hell in a Cell. How do you feel about Hell in a Cell?
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Chapter 7: How do muscular endurance and strength impact wrestling performances?
I mean, this whole thing is preposterous, Bubba. You know it is. It's a German pretending to be an American defending Mexican culture. against an American that represented the country who claims he's the real person defending Mexican culture.
The whole thing makes no sense, except for the fact that you had two people in it that were incredible characters that resonated with the people and the people cared about it.
When was, John, you've wrestled in Mexico. You spent a portion of your career there. You've kept up on AAA and Mexican wrestling. When was the last time you saw a story or a match like the one that we saw the other night truly hit in Mexico?
I think it was probably Conan. Conan did so much stuff with Pena when he died. Conan did some incredible heel stuff during that period that people wanted to kill him. I mean, absolutely wanted to kill him. People were getting real heat down there. And you saw Villano in one of the bass versus mass matches. I mean, you've seen some great matches in history down there.
And I'm not saying this is better than any of those, but it certainly sticks up there with them. I mean, to me, it was absolutely incredible. It was the best match I've seen, and I have no idea how long, years.
You're right. You never know what's going to actually hit with an audience. Like The Undertaker. The dead man gimmick. One of the greatest gimmicks of all time. When I first saw it, I was like, you've got to be kidding me. A bit of an eye roll. But it didn't take long because of talent to make you believe and to make you care. And you're right. On the surface, the story is ridiculous.
It's ridiculous.
But I was saying to Bully, when's the last time you went into an arena for a pro wrestling event... where everybody in attendance was cheering the good guy and booing the bad guy. It really just doesn't happen anymore in pro wrestling. You get fans that are too smart for their own good and look too inside.
This is so about caring about what is taking place in front of them that the fans don't care how ridiculous the story is or not.
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Chapter 8: What is the significance of the upcoming rubber match between Brock Lesnar and Oba Femi?
Just leave it alone and let it exist on its own.
I can tell you that there's been wonderful integration of relationships between WWE and AAA about sharing stars, sharing stars like Penta and things like that. And they call and say, hey, you guys are doing a great job. How about we put this down? There's not a combative atmosphere there as it is. It's a very good integration as it is. Are they going to leave him alone?
I think they're going to continue to do what they've done. And the reason I think that, Bubba, is because you've got so much content. With WWE, you got about 50 hours of content you got to fill every week with WWE, with the Netflix deal, with the ESPN deal. Now all of a sudden, you've got extra matches. Now all of a sudden, you got the clowns you can put up there.
Now all of a sudden, you can bring up Laredo Kid. Now all of a sudden, you can bring up Vekingo. Now all of a sudden, you can bring up La Hadra. You can bring up so many guys to put onto your television show that creates new segments and new opportunities. It's hard to create stars. These stars are already there.
I think they probably leave it as is, as they have been doing, and just have an integration on both sides. Have an integration of AAA coming up and doing stuff with the, I say American product, the WWE product, and the same vice versa going the other direction.
John, real quick, you've been at the announce table. You've called so many great matches. You do a phenomenal job behind the desk. At what point did you realize you were calling something special the other night?
Oh, my God. I remember sitting there, and I didn't call it, but I remember seeing Umaga and Cena one time. It was the last man standing match, and I was outside. Me and Cole were just extra on the commentary. They had different commentators back then. I remember sitting there thinking, my God, this is a freaking classic. And I remember like Dolph's cash-in in Meadowlands.
I remember you guys coming back. I remember Seth's cash-in. And you sit there and you think, I don't remember how far through. Maybe the entrance. The entrance was so freaking good that I'm sitting there thinking, I just can't screw this up. I don't want to say something stupid. I don't want to say something I think is funny and did not work.
All I want to do is accentuate what they're doing because they're having a freaking classic for the ages. And at that point, it's such an honor to be there, but it's also a lot of responsibility of, I don't want to screw this up. And I started feeling that about just after the introduction of all the band and all the stuff they'd done.
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