What First Nations People Know About Wellbeing That We Don't
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I think young people are having to navigate a more racially charged environment than potentially my generation had to. I think we'd made real progress and all of a sudden we've come to things like the referendum and we seem to have stepped backwards as a nation, particularly in terms of what we're exposed to through media. So while I don't actually believe that we have more people who are racist in Australia than we've ever had before, what I do feel we have is more exposure to events of racism.
Hi, I'm Ashany Dante, and this is But Are You Happy? In this episode, we're joined by Associate Professor Clinton Schulz, Director of First Nation Strategy at the Black Dog Institute. Clinton is a Gamilaroi man, a registered psychologist, and a leading voice in Indigenous mental health. This week is NAIDOC Week, Australia's national celebration of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples, their history, cultures and achievements. It felt important for us to take this moment to have a deeper conversation about First Nations mental health. and to better understand how everyday racism and systemic bias can impact wellbeing for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people. In this conversation, we explore the importance of culturally safe, community-led approaches to care and what it means to support wellbeing in ways that are respectful and grounded in lived experience.
We also talk about how listeners, both First Nation and non-Indigenous, can play a role in reducing harm in their own communities. Before we begin, we want to thank Clinton for sharing his knowledge and experiences with us. We acknowledge the traditional owners of the land on which we recorded this podcast and pay our respects to elders past and present. Here's our conversation.
How did Clinton Schultz's childhood and recovery shape his work in First Nations wellbeing?
Thank you so much, Clinton, for joining us on today's episode. I also want to say something that I don't usually say at the beginning when I have a guest that comes on and I also just want to say thank you for the work that you do. as well. I feel like it's really, really needed. I don't know why I'm getting emotional at the beginning of this, but here we are. Um, yeah, just like, it means it's amazing just what you do. And it actually gets me thinking a lot about, wow, it takes a certain person to do the work that you do. And what I'm actually curious about is to hear more about your story, you know, like, what is it that, what was your upbringing like?
Yeah, Yama Gabayada and Gabaninda. So hi and yeah, thank you. That means a lot to know that there's people out there that do recognise the importance of the work that so many of us are trying to do in the social, emotional wellbeing space at present, particularly given the tough times that we seem to be continually trying to navigate. So I really do appreciate that. Yeah, my story is pretty interesting, particularly how I ended up in this field of psychology and the broader social emotional wellbeing space. I guess I'll start all the way back at my childhood because it really stems from there. And I experienced a lot of abuse from when I was about the ages of five to 15. And I probably didn't cope with that abuse in the most positive ways.
And I guess I was recognized as a delinquent by the time I was a teenager. And then by the time I was sort of 15 and definitely by 16, I was couch surfing and had left home and had basically turned to drugs and alcohol as a way of trying to navigate the experiences of trauma that I'd had. And it took me a really long time to figure out that all that was doing was creating further trauma, both for myself and those that actually did care about me and did love me. So it was a long learning journey. But in that space of time, I guess both fortunate and unfortunate at the same time, it was a bit of a double edged sword. I was extremely high functioning throughout that whole period. So I still managed to
you know, do high school by correspondence to complete a chef's apprenticeship to work in some of the best restaurants, both here in Australia and then to move overseas and to work in some really well-known restaurants in the UK and other parts of Europe as well.
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