Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
What is up, Daddy Gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call Her Daddy. Tana Mongeau, welcome to Call Her Daddy.
Alex Cooper, thank you for having me. Very exciting. It's so exciting to me and I think that it's really crazy, our trajectory. We have to talk about it. Even just the last episode of Call Her Daddy that I was on and the beginning, the guests, like there's so much. The last week of our life. Here, I know, there's so much here. Let's tell people how we got here.
Because people are probably like, what's going on?
Yeah.
What's going on? Yeah. Is this unexpected? I don't know.
Or expected? That's really interesting. Maybe a little bit of both to me. But like, I don't know. I'm just in this era of life where I'm trying. You're a businesswoman. And there's a lot to learn. And I think in every other era of life, I... Missed out on that connection with you And like just It's funny even we got lunch the other day And I sit down and I was like Do you hate me?
And you're like no I'm like Tana We don't even like How would I And I'm just at Unwell Vegas mind you It's like why am I asking her this But I guess it was just that like You and I had never gotten to have a moment That was off camera We'd never gotten to have a moment Where we both weren't on Or like even the first call her daddy I was like I needed rehab not call her daddy Let's talk about that
it was such a weird moment so tana dms me and it's like will you go to lunch with me and i'm like so ominous too so ominous no context and i'm like of course like and i'm trying to think like what does she want to talk about but i also kind of want literally And so then we get there and you were in a little button down. You were so wholesome. It was. I was like, I'll wear my button down.
You ate your pigs in a blanket. There is something about scarfing pigs in a blanket across from you that is just some things will never change. But we talked about so much at that lunch.
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Chapter 2: How did Tana Mongeau's internet persona evolve over the years?
Yeah. Yes. Let's take it. Let's go back.
So to anyone that's not familiar or our original original, there's so much there.
That's what I'm saying. So to anyone who's not chronically online, almost a decade ago when Call Her Daddy was started. Tana Mongeau was supposed to be the first ever guest.
And aren't you just so happy I wasn't? Like, sometimes the universe does work things out in a certain way. Like, I don't know if you would have gotten to like the Kamala Harris's of it all had that happened, you know? Maybe fair, but no, no, no.
But I want to hear this story from your perspective. So I'm at Barstool. We had never had a guest. We were like, should we have a guest? I was such a huge fan of yours. I was like watching your YouTubes. I was like, Tana, it would be the perfect person. I was very gluck at that time. You were so gluck. I was beyond gluck. You were so on brand for us.
We were so... But look, we were so congruent with our brands then. And now we're both a little bit more brand safe now. And we've grown. But at the time, you then slept through the interview.
Yes. Well, I was sick. But I will say at the time as well, like... Who gives a fuck that I was sick? Tell me the story from your perspective. I was touring and I had a day off. And like, even just my team at the time, you can imagine what my assistants look like. We were all just hammered and all of those things. And yeah, factually, I just like, I felt like shit. And I was like, I'm so sorry.
I can't make this and whatever. But maybe if you were doing a little better to your immune system, you would have shown up. And like, also now it's like, maybe if you're touring, don't agree on your one-off day. And like, obviously this was 10 years ago and I was so bad with timing then. And like, just so...
so bad like and I had to learn that lesson for 10 more years to come honestly but to be fair and I said this to you at lunch you guys it really was the best blessing and it breaks my heart like no no but when I look back at all of those moments where I just fell so short and I was such a piece of shit in so many ways I know it's 10 years ago and I know I've changed but it's just like you want to go back and shake that girl for
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Chapter 3: What impact did the 'Cancelled' podcast have on Tana's life?
And there's paparazzi downstairs and the whole thing. So, like, you were, like, on board with this whole plan. Yes. So I show up the next day to the Clout House. And to anyone that is remembering now with me, like, Clout House, Hype House. Like, we saw all of this online.
Mm-hmm.
But to walk into a actual TikTok influencer, YouTuber home, I was so intimidated. It was so scary. There were so many people. I opened the front door. I had no team at the time. I had like one freelancer with me and then one person who had worked with me at Barstool and we walk in.
people i've seen online walking around filming everyone's filming 24 7. well because i my house was just my house but then the hype house was next door and they'd somehow acquired my door codes which is just what in the simulation are you and like at one point post malone and his friends were next door and it was like this whole conglomerate where everyone just walked into other people's houses people would walk in unclothed it was like
And at this time as well, it was such a juxtaposition because my parents were suing me for everything that I had. So I'm in the lowest point of my life while I'm trying to present that like, cause at that time too, that was the epitome of success to me to live in this clout house and live in this thing. And like how lost you have to be to think that this is the epitome of success.
And like, just what a mind fuck. And it's like, once again, like maybe you don't need to call her daddy. Maybe you need like intensive, intensive EMDR therapy.
But you were amazing on that episode. And I remember sitting on the black couch that you and Brooke ended up doing canceled on. And I'm sitting there and I'm like waiting for you. And I think like Amari was in the room and a couple of people are like setting up the cameras. And I'm like so intimidated. I'm so nervous. It's so funny. I like perceived it so differently.
I was so nervous. I was so nervous. And I knew I had like wronged you before. And like, I wanted you, I wanted you to like me. I wanted you to like me. Like I was a fan.
I watched your story times. I watched you in Vegas. Like I watched you growing up on my screen. So I was shitting my pants.
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Chapter 4: How did Tana's decision to get sober change her relationships?
And you learn that. And if you're not in a good headspace... you start to like compartmentalize the hate and just think that any attention is good attention. And when you have a million people around you kind of like feeding into that notion, it can be such a scary snowball.
Is there anything that you look back on in those days? Something that you're like, that was so just like controversial at the time. And I just knew it would do well for views. But like, I'm like, what the fuck was I doing?
It's so hard, Alex, to give you anecdotal answers because it was everything. And it almost wasn't... One thing that I will say is that so much of it was not... I'm not going to give myself the credit that I was this mastermind scheming so much. It was almost just the way I was living. I think that I was just...
I guess the difference is, is that a lot of other people possessed a lot of discretion and they knew like maybe this like party last night where we all did a bunch of drugs. I'm not going to talk about it online tomorrow because I have discretion and I care about my reputation and I have self-worth and I have parents, right?
Like all of these things, whereas I was like, no one's doing this and I'm just going to share it all. And like, you know what I mean? Like almost like a who cares mindset.
There were no boundaries for you.
It was just kind of like anything goes. At all. Exactly. I lived with an anything goes. I lived without discretion up until maybe 72 hours ago. That's a joke.
OK, anything random comes to mind. If you could erase something from the Internet, what would it be of yourself?
I've definitely had nights where I stay up late and I think, God, how much better would it be if even the paparazzi or Team Bryce on God was erased from the Internet?
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Chapter 5: How does Tana view her past relationships and their effects on her?
But at the same time.
and just like the jaw swinging like you know I can look back there's a paparazzi video of me going I hate people I love them like the paparazzi had asked me I was leaving catch honestly it was right around the same time as you and I had gotten that dinner and the paparazzi had asked me how do you feel about Addison Rae and Bryce Hall's breakup and I say I hate people I love them and then at the time I was very close with Josie Canseco and for some reason how fucked up I was I thought that Jose Canseco her father was my best friend so I'm talking about
Take me out to the ball game. I'm talking about how Jose Canseco is my best friend. And I can look back at the, the like, those moments and be like, that is objectively hilarious. And like, I don't want that erased. But then my jaw continued to swing for a little too long, you know, where it's like, you know, but at the same time, like,
i'm a firm believer in the butterfly effect all the way down to like the shoes i'm wearing today and the sweatsuit you're wearing today like that like that changed the entire course of our day i think that every little thing got me to the person that i am and for so long i was a person that i was not proud of for so long i was a person that i absolutely hated for so long i was like such a fucking mess that like every single mistake or embarrassing thing
taught me something whether it was heavy criticism whether it was like you are so fucking embarrassing get it together whether it was like and i just i i get scared when i think about like what if i erase that one thing and i continued to be that person i would be so sad if i was still that person that's such a good point
point to Tana like we see on the internet the team Bryce on God moment and everyone's like this is so funny this is the biggest meme of the year holy shit but you are also looking back being like oh my god like why were we team Bryce on God like let's be team God on God maybe you
maybe find god and it's funny because i actually was sober in that video which makes it so much worse but i mean bender the night before bender right after i'm just saying like like i was like oh you were fully so you're like no no no just like in that very moment yes and that but no but i think it's more so one of those things where i was just lost
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Chapter 6: What challenges did Tana face with her family dynamics?
You know what I mean? Like just who I was and the things I wanted to attend and the people I wanted to surround myself with.
So you're seeing these videos and you're like, oh my God, I see someone that's so lost and hurting. And then the internet though is kind of perpetuating like, this is so funny, Tana. And so it's like, should she do it again? Should she keep going? And it's like, when do you eventually be like, I have to stop.
I wrestled with my identity so much in that way. Because at the time, I think even you're saying so lost and hurting, I think I didn't know that I was hurting. I think that I like, I...
I now know I was hurting and I was numbing all of these things that had happened to me and just continuing to like get number and number and abuse substances more and numbing all these things that had happened to me. But in my head, I was like, I am, I'm a party girl. I'm Timu Lindsay Lohan. Let's go. Like, which is like,
and then people love that image and you start the wine brand and you're throwing the parties and you're gathering the lore that then works so amazing for this podcast that you're doing and like all of these things that you like convince yourself that no one's going to love you if like you stop all of these things and my identity became so tied to it to where I thought that not only that I loved being that but that that's who I had to be or no one would listen and like all of those things
tana and all of those things we totally both tip over and start crying wait let's talk about the criticism because in a in a way and correct me if i'm wrong but like i think a lot of people i've talked to especially in this industry like you kind of start to dissociate in a way where you look back and you're like i don't really remember certain things because you're just like i'm going along and i'm surviving and i don't know what's happening or you're just like blacking it out and you're compartmentalizing right
But then people are criticizing you. Heavily. Heavily. Rightfully so, though. I want you to, though, take me to your headspace.
you would get criticism online because a lot of people watching this like will have never experienced it at the level that you have where people are like saying things about you how would you handle that and how has that evolved for you yeah it's definitely evolved a lot but i think that for a long time the big things did stick like you know what i mean like
TanaCon, for example. Like, I spent an entire week at my best friend's apartment sobbing on the floor, reading everything, knowing that the whole world hated me and that I was a fucking failure and that I failed my fans. And, like, I have goosebumps right now. I will never... There's a part of me that will never get over that failure because I failed my fans so tangibly and directly and stuff.
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Chapter 7: What lessons has Tana learned about self-worth and identity?
Like, are you giving Jennifer Coolidge? What are you doing? Is that new? There's definitely like some spectrum that I'm on, right? Like, I love a vocal stim. You're just like going.
Okay, let's get your take. It can be good or bad. Opinion on a few things. Okay. What is your take on the current state of extravagant brand trips? Have they lost the plot? Wow.
I mean, I think as long as people are doing good, where we're at in society right now, just showing off opulence and that being all that you are is so, that was a big lesson that I learned across this time. I had a psychic actually tell me that I would go so heavily into philanthropy. And the psychic told me this at a time in my life where I was like, absolutely not. I want to go to Poppy tonight.
What the fuck are you talking about? Maybe I'll do philanthropy when I share something under my fingernail with someone else. That's as philanthropic as I'll ever get. And... Under my fingernail. Okay, yes. And now as I get to this point in life, I'm like, I realize how important it is if you have something to give, how much you need to give back and stuff.
I think that now, right now, if someone was like, do you want to go on this brand trip with this...
crop top brand with these girls and like take they're all gonna be taking a thousand tequila shots and like that's the whole point I'm saying no I think it's the first time in my life where I'm saying no for so long I was so excited to like say yes to everything because I mean if anything came across my desk I was just stoked something was coming across my desk right like so it's now you're able to kind of discern like does this
Is this for attention or is this intentional? Is this actually meaningful to me and make sense for me right now in my life?
Yes. And do I morally feel like this is a good or right thing to do? Do I feel like this is helpful for the greater good either of what I'm doing with my platform or the bigger picture of the world today that needs so much help? And sometimes it just takes like literally growing up.
Yes. Like if you're 22 and you're getting invited on the brand trip, you're like, why would I not? Who cares what people think I look like?
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Chapter 8: How is Tana approaching her future with Makoa?
let the bitch live like it just it's so true everyone switches up so fast it's like it's so it's whiplash yeah but I also respect Haley so much for kind of being like save it like I don't need whether you love me or hate me I don't really care anymore like I've had to find peace because you guys have bullied me for so fucking long and people just like
Oh my God. Like wanting to do that. Like, I know that you can write off. Like there's so many people that are going to be like, she's famous. She's married to Justin Bieber. She's fine. But like what that, what that does to your psyche, people like even her OG Met Gala, where people were like screaming at her on the carpet, awful things. Like,
What that does to your psyche, feeling like you can't leave your house without... Even in like little scandals of mine, I would feel that way where you're like leaving the house and you're at the coffee shop and the barista's looking at you and you're like, they hate me. They hate me. They hope I die. Like they hate me so much and they probably don't and don't know and whatever.
I can't imagine on that level of your psyche of like... She is a very strong woman. Yeah. And it's just...
it would never happen to um it's such a good point um do you think people have lost their sense of individualism because of social media and the constant trend cycle
To an extent, yes. Right. Like I ordered a jelly cat the other day and it's just like, why did I order that jelly cat? OK, like and Buster's going to chew it up in three hours. It doesn't like there is definitely. Yes. But I also really try to look at social media, not through a general lens of everyone and everything is awful because it's very easy to do that nowadays. It is.
And there are still so many creators that are bringing individualism and philanthropy and good things and all of these things to the forefront of their pages. And I try to even like a Julia Fox is a great example of someone who is just so individually stands 10 toes down on like their opinions and all of those things. I love her.
There are the Julia Foxes of the world who remind us that we can just like have our own opinions and be individual. And I try to just focus on that. Otherwise, I'll like spiral.
And it's true. Like sometimes it is fun to participate in trends. But then it is also like if you're doing it every fucking time, then it's maybe like slow your roll. Like what is your actual own fashion sense? What is your own actual beliefs? Like are you just regurgitating what you're scrolling every day?
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