AI is Activating Antisemites Left and Right - with Niall Ferguson
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You are listening to an Archimedia podcast. All my efforts to help people understand why the Holocaust happened so that we wouldn't make the mistakes again of the 1930s and 1940s as a species appear to have come to nothing. To me, there's no longer a polarization problem. We have a horseshoe problem now, which is that the far right and the far left are converging on the political spectrum, which is bending. into a horseshoe, they're converging on a number of key issues of which antisemitism turns out to be the most, as it were, viral. The thing that gets the most engagement on social media is anti-Israel, anti-Zionism, anti-Jews, and that seems to be working both for the far left and the far right.
It's 1.30 p.m. on Monday, July 20th in New York City. It's 8.30 p.m. on Monday, July 20th in Israel as Israelis monitor the war with Iran as it escalates. Five months ago, historian Neil Ferguson joined us on this podcast to talk about the return of anti-Semitism, primarily on the American right. He described, for example, Tucker Carlson's role in reviving what he called, quote, all that lunacy, but predicted that, with luck, the people pushing it would sink back into irrelevance. That has not happened. Now Neil and AI researcher John Clark Levin have published a new essay in the free press with an arresting title, The Death of History. Its central argument is that the methods historians once used to defeat lies about the past no longer work.
For example, in 2000, historians Christopher Browning and Richard Evans could enter a courtroom in the UK, meticulously dismantle David Irving's distortions of the Holocaust and outright Holocaust denial, and help historian Deborah Lipstadt win her libel case. The lie made factual claims. Those claims could be investigated, exposed, and disproven. Today, Holocaust denial can arrive as an eight-second video, an AI-generated deepfake, a teenager silently signaling an anti-Semitic conspiracy, or a clip of Hitler speaking English in his own voice. Algorithms distribute that content to the people most likely to engage with it. while bots create the impression that everyone else agrees. By the time a historian reaches for the archive, the viewer has moved on to the next video, and the numbers they cite are alarming, which we'll get into.
Today, we're going to work through three questions. First, what exactly broke between the David Irving trial and the TikTok era? Was it the format, the audience, or our basic assumption that facts can defeat spectacle? Second, how much of this apparent movement is genuine belief? And how much is an illusion of consensus manufactured by bots, troll farms, and recommendation algorithms? And third, if digital identification is dangerous, biometric authentication remains flawed, and moral persuasion is only a hope, is there actually a remedy? Neil Ferguson is a Free Press columnist. He's the Milbank Family Senior Fellow at Stanford's Hoover Institution. a senior faculty fellow at Harvard's Belfer Center and the author of 16 books, a couple of which we'll talk about today, which are very relevant.
He also runs Greenmantle, which is an advisory firm. John Clark Levin is an AI researcher whose work has examined the risks, governance, and geopolitical consequences of advanced artificial intelligence. John Clark co-authored the piece in the Free Press with Neil that we will be discussing today.
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5 chapters
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:02–5:44
2
How did historians once defeat Holocaust denial in courtrooms and mainstream media?
5:44–18:41
3
How much of online antisemitic engagement is real belief versus manufactured consensus?
18:41–19:40
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How are algorithms and bots amplifying antisemitic content online?
19:40–23:19
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What changed between the David Irving trial era and today’s TikTok/AI era?
23:19–47:15
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