Chapter 1: What viral videos are circulating about Gaza flotilla activists?
First this morning, videos have gone viral of the treatment of the Gaza flotilla activists who are currently being detained in Israel. One of those videos shows an Irish citizen being grabbed and forced to the ground after shouting free Palestine as Israeli's National Security Minister, Itmar Ben-Gavir, walked by... Let's get the latest on this.
I'm joined firstly by Sky News Middle East correspondent Adam Parsons. In a moment, I'll speak to Dan Pfefferman, who's a retired major and former IDF intelligence member and co-founder of Middle East 24. But Adam, first to you, what has the reaction been to this in Israel and further afield?
Well, I think outside of Israel, you've seen this reaction from a variety of countries who've expressed shock and anger, whether that is Ireland, the United Kingdom, France, Canada, Spain, the list goes on. Israeli ambassadors have been summoned. and foreign ministers and Giorgio Maloney in Italy, prime ministers, have said that this treatment is appalling and shocking.
In Israel, we haven't had nearly that level of outrage. But what you have had are rebukes from within the cabinet, and that's unusual. And that goes, Gideon Sall, the foreign minister, was very quick out of the blocks after this video was released to say that, to say that Itamar Ben-Vegir, in his opinion, doesn't represent Israeli values, and this is not country that we are.
This is no shrinking liberal politician. He's a pretty tough foreign minister who toes the party line. So that was unusual. And then a rebuke from Benjamin Netanyahu himself against Ben-Gavir.
So what we haven't seen yet, Claire, is anybody coming out in support of Ben-Gavir other than Interbar Ben-Gavir himself, who has doubled down and is, as he always is, wholly unapologetic and pretty proud of his position.
You might just explain to us this uncomfortable coalition that we have in power in Israel at the moment. This is why we have this disparity in views.
It is. And politics really underlies so much of this. So you do have a coalition, which includes Mr. Netanyahu's Likud party, a formidable right-wing party here. But in order to maintain power, he's had to embrace coalition parties who are much more extreme, much more far right, and led by firebrand politicians. There are two of them, Betele Smotrich is the finance minister.
He's a man of very strong opinions. He's been a little more muted recently, whereas Ben Gavir, who is very far right nationalist by any standards, has become ever more forthright, including recently pushing through parliament legislation that makes the death penalty the default penalty for Palestinians and only Palestinians who are found guilty of certain terrorism offenses.
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Chapter 2: What has been the international reaction to the treatment of detained activists?
They are going to be deported. We're talking about over 400 people from many, many countries. So that process will take time. They've been held in the port of Ashdod Getting flights in and out of Israel at the moment logistically is not that straightforward.
But my feeling is that once Netanyahu has effectively said, I want this off of my table, I think heaven and earth will be moved today to get as many of these people deported home as quickly as possible.
Now, we began by talking about the international reaction to this, and I'm sure you're aware that our own Prime Minister, Taoiseach Michal Martin, said he's seeking to get broader agreement in Europe on reviewing trade relations under the European Union-Israeli Association Agreement.
Will there be concern, do you think, in Israel now that that has been put on the table off the back of this incident?
There is concern. There is absolutely concern among some in Israel about international relations. You take Ben-Kavir, he doesn't care. He doesn't really mind what the world thinks, except, Claire, for the United States. So I think... There are many on the right of Israeli politics who think that Europe has left them behind, that they can't count on European friendships.
And that doesn't go across the board. That's a spectrum. But the one nation they cannot afford to ostracize is the United States. That is, for Israel, which has so few diplomatic friends left,
that is their big supporter and the fact that yesterday donald trump criticized ben gavir that will have been noticed also will have been noticed was was trump saying that basically benjamin netanyahu does whatever trump tells him to do that will have felt very very painful that's the relationship they have to hold on to. But clearly, this is a nation that imports and exports.
High tech is something of which it's enormously proud and very successful. And it does. And it's more pragmatic position. It knows that it needs to have a working relationship with Europe. But I mean, hey, look at the Eurovision Song Contest. Multiple countries, boycotting that because of the presence of Israel.
I don't think any Israeli politician is kidding themselves that relations with Europe are in a good place.
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Chapter 3: How is the Israeli government responding to the activists' detention?
This is not how You manage these things professionally. What Ben-Vir did with these protesters or flotilla participants being humiliated is not something that should have been done. in a country that acts according to international norms, they should have been sent back to their countries and that's it.
Just the fact that you say that the aid is getting into Gaza and there's no issue there. There's absolutely no problem with humanitarian aid. Concern worldwide says famine persists in Gaza. Médecins Sans Frontières says mass starvation is spreading across Gaza. UNICEF Ireland saying that parents are still desperately trying to keep their children alive.
And yet you say all of those independent organisations are incorrect and everything is fine.
Even during the height of the war, it has now come out by... almost every single serious international organization, including the UN, there was never serious famine or starvation in Gaza, and certainly not now during the ceasefire, when plenty of aid by international mechanisms, including
Chapter 4: What political dynamics are influencing Israel's current government?
Arab countries, including the United Nations, including aid organizations, is getting in with zero restrictions and zero problem. I'm not sure where you're getting this information from, but it's completely detached from the reality.
I don't know where you're getting your information from. I'm getting it from independent aid organizations whose business it is to get the aid into Gaza, and they cannot do it. That's what they're telling us.
I'm not aware of that. From what I'm aware of here on the ground is that the aid gets in at more than enough levels for the population of Gaza.
And yet you say it is perfectly fine for the Israeli defence forces to head out into the high seas, into international waters and say, you can't go to Gaza because we say so. You also can't be en route to Gaza in international waters, even though we've no authority internationally.
in this part of the sea, we're going to seize you, forcibly bring you to Israel and treat you like dogs before sending you home.
So they shouldn't be treated like dogs. And that's the one issue that I'll agree with you on. They should be treated respectfully, according to international law, where everything else of this story, with the exception of Minister Ben-Gvir's debacle, was done according to international law and international norms.
How is it right to go into international waters and arrest people in an area where you have no authority to do it?
You cannot send a flotilla to an active war zone with a naval blockade. You're still talking about an internationally recognized terrorist organization that has since 2006, when it took over the Gaza Strip forcibly, been smuggling arms into the Gaza Strip.
You can hold all of those beliefs, but you still cannot go into international waters and seize 400 people and bring them to your country. You can't do that.
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