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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Now, organisers of the World Cup in the United States have put together what they describe as an unprecedented plan to combat hostile drone threats. Now, this plan will have no drone zones and dark web scanning to not only detect but also mitigate against any potential dangers.
Nick Doyle is Head of Enterprise Security Risk Management and Practice for Kroll's Risk Advisory Service and is on the line. Good morning, Nick.
Good morning, Clare.
Thank you for being with us. So when you look at the World Cup as an event happening in the United States, how much of a target is it for nefarious operators?
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Chapter 2: What unprecedented plan is being implemented for the World Cup to combat drone threats?
Well, any large event such as the World Cup, the European Championships, the Olympics are always going to be a potential target for any potential adversaries. So I think that's clear. I think what should give us confidence is that these type of events are well planned for. They're well planned for, not just months in advance, but years in advance.
And I know some of the people that are organising this for FIFA, and they're some of the best security people in the world. So, you know, people should have great confidence. And also, you know, we've got the...
three different levels of state, federal and local levels that will all be working together to provide a safe and secure environment for fans to attend these games as well, alongside probably one of the best intelligence services in the world with the CIA. So I think collectively, from a security framework is probably the best that there is to deal with this type of risk.
Yeah, I mean, you could say that. You could also look at all of those organisations, federal, state and external private security as well, and wonder whether they might get in each other's way.
Well, I think it comes down to coordination. As I've said, you know, the planning for this and the scenario planning and training and exercising would have been taking place for many, many months, if not years, for this type of event. You know, I suppose it is complicated because we're covering three different nations, Mexico, the US and Canada. So that does bring in some complication.
But I think that from an intelligence standpoint, gathering perspective and approach, I think it will be quite closely aligned because it's in the interest of all three countries to cooperate and coordinate fully.
The greatest threats then to events like this, they come not from actors who are attempting to enter the countries that you've mentioned there, the host countries for the World Cup, but those who are already there. Is that right?
Well, potentially, I mean, threats can come from a variety of different areas and they're obviously homegrown threats and they're obviously external threats because of what's going on in the world.
But I think it's around that intelligence picture that agencies, especially agencies in the US, can basically identify and try and mitigate those and actually target the potential adversaries that might be wishing to target these events. I think if we talk back to drones as well, I know you mentioned drones previously.
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Chapter 3: How significant is the World Cup as a target for potential threats?
will be kind of copying their approach as well, which is essentially formed around detection, tracking, identifying and defeating those particular drones. So it's highly likely. I know you mentioned there'll be no drone zones.
But again, that detection, tracking, identifying and defeating will all encompass those no drone zones, which will probably reach out maybe anywhere between two and four kilometers from a particular stadium.
We've been talking about drones here as well, Nick, because we have the presidency of the EU coming up from July until December. And countries who are running big events are really grappling with this problem, aren't they? But this is described as an unprecedented plan for the World Cup, and there will be attempts to mitigate in advance with this monitoring of the dark web.
What can you tell us about this? Because you've got two strands here. You've got dealing with it in the moment, when you see the drone and trying to get it out of the sky before it does any harm, but also trying to get intelligence on what is being planned.
Of course. So obviously there'll be very thorough, I would suggest, risk analysis and risk intelligence coming not just from the dark web, but from all sorts of different areas done probably by the FBI and also the CIA, I would have thought.
And all the other national agencies from Canada and Mexico as well, because it's obviously, you know, they'll have capable agencies within their countries as well. But again, it's really about, you know, understanding where threats are coming from, detecting those drones when they're seen approaching the fan areas or the stadium areas.
tracking where they're going, because some of them may be innocent drones. Some of them may be from people that just want to send drones up so they can get photos of themselves in the fan zone, for example. Some of them might be more sinister.
I mean, there is also history of, you know, people flying flags from drones to antagonise the opposing team and then cause some kind of disorder in stadiums or outside stadiums. So, you know, and then identify if it is a threat and ultimately defeat it. And you can defeat it in a number of ways, sometimes hacking into those drones if possible.
And if necessary, if there's an identifiable threat with a particular drone, there is various ways.
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