Candace
BREAKING: TPUSA Throws Down The Gauntlet! Publicly Invites Me To Ask Questions. | Candace Ep 273
03 Dec 2025
Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
All right, you guys, it's happening.
Chapter 2: What is Turning Point USA's response to Candace Owens?
It's happening. Everybody stay calm. After yesterday's episode where we went kind of for the jugular with Turning Point USA, because really, I think everybody in the entire world has had enough with the non-response, trying to move on, trying to gaslight us on answering basic details. So we just went for it. And guess what?
Turning Point has moved to formally respond to all the things that we have said. And after a very long diatribe in which they wildly misrepresent the public and global investigation of Charlie Kirk's assassination, they at long last issued a public invitation or a challenge. I'm not sure what it is, but I accept. Okay? Quite literally, all we have ever asked for...
for sensible answers to our basic questions about what transpired on September 10th. And it looks like we're going to get those things. So major, major win. I am excited. Also, later on in the show, what I have for you is The Game, whose rapper is releasing a song that is entitled The Assassination of Candace Owens. And I have more questions. I've got questions. Am I allowed to have questions?
Welcome back to Candace. What can I say other than we went max? Pause, reflect. I'm proud of everybody. I'm proud of the world. Every single person who was in my inbox giving me tips, the people inside of Turning Point USA who were leaking, the donors that wrote public letters, the donors that didn't write public letters but sent us messages encouraging us to keep going.
Today feels like a win because guess what? it forced Turning Point USA to finally respond. And that was the entire point, okay? That has been the point of refusing to let up even one second in this investigation. They wanted to simply be able to eulogize Charlie Kirk at a big memorial event, and then they wanted us to simply move on. And we didn't do that, okay?
So yeah, we should celebrate the fact that we kept up the pressure, that we insisted that we have answers, that even in this tremendous culture of ADHD and everyone's constantly being distracted by their iPhones, that we kept the focus, okay? Turning Point is going to commit to a live streamed event where they are apparently going to answer all of these lingering questions.
And I would say these were pretty basic questions right out of the gate. Why they didn't do that right out of the gate, nobody knows. We can hear them, their explanation for why they didn't in just a moment because they sent... Blake Neff out.
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Chapter 3: How does the Pentagon press corps reflect on serious journalism?
Blake Neff, by the way, is the producer of The Charlie Kirk Show. Now he is kind of the rotating talent of The Charlie Kirk Show. He was already featured with Charlie on the show, so that's not unusual. But I think we probably anticipated that Andrew Colvette, who is the TPUSA spokesperson, would have been the person to deliver this message. Maybe in theory that should have been his job.
Maybe he's traveling. The point is, we got Blake Neff, and I want to say, just to reiterate, that I have always maintained that whatever is going on at Turning Point USA, I have not felt that Blake Neff is one of the bad guys. I just have never gotten that particular vibe from him. I believe that when he speaks, he believes that he is telling the truth.
And maybe that's why they want him in front of the camera. He's been the only person that has been responding in a way that feels even remotely authentic when he defends the actions of Mikey McCoy on that day. I sense that he believes that he is telling the truth. Anyways, let's listen to what Blake Neff had to say in its entirety.
Chapter 4: What does The Game's new mixtape reveal about Candace Owens?
It's not going to feel organic. Obviously, he's reading from a piece of paper. This has probably been reviewed 12 times by many different lawyers because that's how it works at big organizations and companies. But I don't fault him. That will pause at certain moments because I do want to be able to respond throughout it.
It's a bit long, but I want to give them my platform as I always have made that offer to. So here is Blake Neff. Ever since Charlie's murder, Candace Owens has leveled a flood of allegations against people at Turning Point USA, people at Turning Point Action, and people who work for this show.
She's made them against some of Charlie's closest friends and against some of his most dedicated employees.
Chapter 5: What are the implications of the public invitation from Turning Point USA?
Yes. She has suggested that Michael McCoy, Charlie's chief of staff, knew Charlie would be murdered, was happy that he died, and stayed silent because he was told he would be the next Charlie. She has suggested Michael is not his real name, it is, I have seen his birth certificate myself.
She has called it suspicious that Mikey's wife, who works at Turning Point, helped plan the campus tour event where Charlie was murdered, which she didn't, by the way, she doesn't work on campus events. Okay, so first and foremost, I actually never said that she helped plan the event. I said it was suspicious that Mikey McCoy's wife, that we never found out who did plan the event.
That was one of the answers that we wanted to know. And I said that she works in events, still was not clear on what happened regarding Mikey McCoy. I think the entire world believes that his actions are suspicious because we have eyes and you don't get to wiggle out of that by pretending that us playing the words of his own father, Rob McCoy, who I think is highly suspicious in all of this.
He has a suspicious background. We played his own words as he tried to sanitize someone who spent time in prison for being a sexual deviant, right? For trying to take photos of young girls. I, I don't think he's a good guy and you're not going to make us forget those things because you are trying to pretend that Mikey's actions were totally normal that day. They weren't.
That's why I didn't make the public feel that way. OK, I may have voiced how they felt, which everyone else is refusing to do. But I do believe that Mikey McCoy should have to answer for that. who he had on the phone right when the shot went off. So yeah, his father, his own father is the one that spoke about Charlie's Notebooks and spoke about how Mikey McCoy was talented.
And it was Mikey McCoy who then jumped on Liberty University's stage for an event that was scheduled for Charlie Kirk. So there you go. That's our perspective and I'm going to stand by it. Let's keep it rolling. Candace has suggested the Utah Valley University event was unusual and its details suggested a quote, inside job. It was unusual. That's a fact.
And you can quote me on that because I worked for Turning Point USA and I went on every tour, every tour since 2019. And typically those events are decided at least the semester before. This came together very quickly. It is unusual. And I don't know why you think that you are going to be able to disprove that notion when I have the emails to support that claim. Let's keep it rolling.
She has claimed that foreign aircraft have followed Erica Kirk around the country and that Turning Point has lied about this happening. Definitely never said Turning Point lied because you never responded. So that doesn't actually make any sense. And this is why it's not good to have lawyers write things out because sometimes they're not so detail-oriented.
What we did was we showed at first that when I plotted these strange Egyptian jets that they were following Charlie. And that was a concern because I wondered if they were tracking Charlie. We then obviously realized that they were tracking TPUSA faith events and that many more times they were following and perhaps tracking Erica. You should be concerned about that.
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Chapter 6: How does Candace Owens address the accusations against her?
I'm sorry again that we noticed something that stood out as unusual given the expertise and the amount of money that he was paying that supposed to be an elite team. Let's keep rolling. She has raised suspicions about the head of our technical team because he took an SD card out of a camera. She has spread absurd claims that Tyler Boyer, who we just had on the show, sexually abuses male interns.
Okay, so yes, the SD card thing is unbelievably suspicious. It's not something that you would do. Neither would you just run up onto a grassy knoll and record yourself. Again, these are unusual actions. And rather than trying to pretend like it's normal to record a selfie video of yourself and to prematurely announce that somebody is dead, maybe you should answer why all of that took place first.
Because you guys told lies about, verifiable lies about why that took place. Because don't forget, Andrew Colvette sat next to you and said it was because people were stealing. People were stealing, you probably would want to grab the very expensive cameras and not the SD card for an event that was being live streamed.
Regarding Tyler Boyer, I'm so glad we're going to do this live streamed because I'm happy to present to you the exact name of the intern. And I didn't say that he abused him. I didn't say it was not consensual. I said that he likes younger boys. I don't mean like younger as in they're not of the legal age. I'm just saying they're a lot younger than him.
And yeah, I can give you the exact name of the intern that he hooked up with. That person was not at Turning Point USA. But I can also give you more than that, as well as people that are currently working for Turning Point USA who said that Tyler Boyer and these are young men tried to hook up with them after some events. So I'm glad we're going to live stream that. Keep going.
She has suggested that TPUSA faith-affiliated pastors, like theologian Frank Turek, who we'll have on in a moment, and Pastor Rob McCoy, are part of a military, quote, infiltration of Turning Point, either because they are veterans or because they have family members who are.
Yeah, so I do believe the Calvary Chapel, their history with Chuck Smith, the evidence that it was a militant CIA effort to infiltrate the Christian faith and to tie the Christian faith to the political ideology of Zionism. I think there's a lot of evidence for that. And I'm happy to discuss that in a broader debate.
I do think that things at Turning Point USA became a bit problematic when you started to, I would say, almost hijack genuine Christian faith and sort of roll it into this idea that you must support Israel in order to be a Christian. That's kind of floating into more opinion, but I think well backed by the facts of the
the founding of the Calvary Chapel Church during the decade of the 60s, where the CIA was really just spiking the ball on Christians in general. Let's keep going. Even if not everyone has been named specifically, though, Candace has effectively tarred everyone here with complicity in Charlie's death by repeatedly saying he was, quote, betrayed by, quote, everyone.
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Chapter 7: What are the concerns surrounding the events of September 10th?
that a trans furry kid who had never been on UVU's campus was going to kill him tomorrow. And your silence during moments when people are lying, like Josh Hammer, when he said, hey, this never happened, Charlie never blinked on Israel, makes you all look very, very suspicious. Lies are only necessary, okay, when you are covering something. And if you are covering the truth,
you are betraying Charlie. So I stand by that. Let's keep going. She has said Charlie's murder, quote, had to be approved by Charlie's friends and then suggested those friends might have her murdered too for, quote, knowing the truth. So you notice that's like a Snopes tactic. When he says the quote, it's actually not a full quotation. I never said that.
Obviously, in the context that he put it in, that Charlie's friends, quote, had to know he was going to be murdered. Did I say the sentence had to know he was going to be murdered? Perhaps, but we're going to need to hear the full sentence because you're trying to context it in a way that is just untrue. And I don't think it's necessary.
If you're willing to have a conversation that you need to lie about anything that I've said, People have watched the show. They know exactly what I've said. And I tend to stand by what I've said. And I do stand by everything that I've said. Keep going. She has made claims of financial impropriety and fraud at Turning Point, adding up into the millions of dollars, which, again, is not true.
Charlie made sure the organization was audited by a third party every year. He personally reviewed and he signed off on every expense report and literally every single bill paid by the organization down to a single United States dollar. We have never missed a 990 deadline. OK, so immorality like financial impropriety does not necessarily mean that you committed true financial fraud.
There's definitely financial impropriety at the company. I would say that if you are representing yourself as a charity and what you're actually doing is evaporating millions of dollars into various LLCs. that have your name on it, that would be financial impropriety, right? Like you could say, I'm a contractor on this LLC and that LLC. I'm not doing anything illegal, but it's inappropriate.
It's improper. Most people are not able to read those forms and won't understand what's happening to the $80 million. And I think that those questions are, of course, valid and that you guys should have no issues answering them. I am struck by the fact that you're still trying to conflate an annual audit with Charlie's explicit request to put together a doge department seven days before he died.
These are not the same. You know they're not the same. I know they're not the same. Okay, everyone knows that doge is not the same as the audits that are required for 501c3s conducting an internal audit. And having you still misrepresent that makes us uncomfortable. Address the doge. That's got nothing to do with anything other than Charlie, right? Charlie felt that this needed to happen.
And inside sources at your own company say it was because he didn't know where the money was coming from or how quickly and where exactly the money was being evaporated to. That passes the vibe check in terms of what Doge is about. Because, of course...
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Chapter 8: What are the key questions about Charlie Kirk's assassination?
In fact, I would say we have suffered more harassment from these people than we have from Antifa supporters who overtly celebrate Charlie's murder. And just like a lot of those Antifa members, many of these people take... this delight and how gross and unpleasant they can be. What our friends have had to endure is not funny and it's not insignificant. It is evil. I have seen it.
Okay, conflating people that are trying to figure out who murdered Charlie Kirk with Antifa is actually objectively funny. That's an unforced error. They should not have included that in the statement. Somebody in that room was like, should we say that? Should we not? And somebody said, no, we shouldn't say that. And then you, somebody else in the room said, no, we should. Let's keep it in.
That second person was wrong. That should have been struck from the statement. It's very silly, okay? It's very silly to attack your own audiences who are concerned and your own donors who are concerned and say, you're Antifa. If you don't accept this absurd Fed slop, if you're not going to drink the Fed slop, then you are Antifa. Just not a good idea whatsoever.
OK, that is not what's happening here. You are not the victim. Charlie is actually he's dead. And to pretend like you are too aggrieved to be able to answer the questions makes entirely no sense. Obviously, if you were actually
actually under a real amount of stress, if you actually were deeply upset that people had you on a list of suspects or thought that you were suspicious, you would just clarify things instantly, immediately. It's so easy. It's free. If someone said, Candace, what were you doing when Charlie Kirk was shot? I'd be like, I was sitting down at my table prepping my show.
Like the question doesn't offend me because I had nothing to do with Charlie dying, okay? This is a psychological technique that is failing. It is failing for you. And you're upset because you thought that with time, with the passage of time, people would let the story go and they didn't.
And these reasons that he's about to list for why they didn't respond and answer any questions are beyond ridiculous. Let's take a listen. For months, we have received hundreds, thousands, I suspect, emails and calls asking us to respond. People have wanted us to invite Candace on the show. But for a long time, our approach was to say nothing. We did that for several reasons. First...
We've first, we thought that her prevarications were so absurd that nobody would believe them. We shouldn't have to answer questions about secret tunnels or Egyptian air force planes. That sort of thing is just, it's beneath contempt to respond to. The second reason we've said so little, though, is because there's a good rule of thumb, which Charlie followed. Do not feed the trolls.
Focus on the mission, reviving America, uplifting young people, making heaven crowded. Don't give air to people who want to tear you down, and so discord. Lastly, we didn't respond because Charlie always viewed Candace as a friend, and we were holding out hope that she would return that friendship and stop what she was doing.
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