Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
All right, you guys, welcome back to season nine, episode two of Everybody Grieves Differently.
Chapter 2: What was revealed in the leaked TPUSA Zoom call?
I'm your host. That's what we're told, at least. You know, in retrospect, we should have probably saw that for what it was, recognized that expression for what it was, another well-financed PR campaign against people for asking meaningful questions, shaming people.
Now, you might be surprised, then, to learn who actually uttered that expression first over at Turning Point USA, before Charlie's Memorial. in a corporate-wide phone call, which took place, or Zoom call rather, just five and a half days after Charlie's assassination.
And speaking of different ways to grieve, the now former CEO of Daily Wire, Jeremy Boring, is back trying to make a comeback to proclaim his name in the press after he ran the company into the ground with his petty grievances and personal passion projects. And like everyone in the mainstream media, he appears to be auditioning for a role at APAC in the
very tried and true manner of publicly attacking Tucker Carlson and yours truly correlating us to Antifa thugs and also this show to pornography. Anyway, welcome back to Candace. All right, you guys, first and foremost, a major correction from yesterday. Thank you to people in Iowa for messaging me. We made a mistake and showed you a picture of a man that is actually not named Bob Flood at all.
His name was actually Bob Ferguson. He's from Iowa. He has nothing to do with the story. It was genuinely a full-blown mistake. I've actually reached out to him. And I just deeply apologize. We wiped it from the episode, but many of you saw it before we actually did. So I just wanted to clarify that that picture that we showed yesterday of Bob Flood from Chicago was not Bob Flood from Chicago.
It was a man named Bob Ferguson from Iowa who literally had nothing to do with anything. So my apologies to Bob Ferguson. Hopefully we will get in touch. I'm kind of using some back channels to make that happen. Anyway, back to today, they say hindsight is 20-20. Right. That's the expression. Hindsight is 20-20.
And damn, if we are not realizing that right now, I can say with full confidence after combining what we have learned throughout this investigation to be a fact. And after now speaking with employees who were let go in this recent string of aggressive firings, employees that did nothing or were told weren't told that they did anything. They certainly were not the people that were leaking to me.
But I do believe firmly from the beginning that Erica was intimately involved in the PR messaging and the PR campaign at different times against me, sometimes against the entire world, but against me in particular. Just to recap why this is now suddenly important, no one's picking on her. We have confirmed for a fact that she lied. She liked my face, actually, regarding the Superman neck.
She blamed that on Andrew Colbett, said that he went rogue, that Dr. Lee Trotter also went rogue, violated HIPAA, that they hopped on the phone and did this without her consent or knowledge.
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Chapter 3: How is Jeremy Boreing attempting to reclaim his reputation?
On top of that, Andrew then sends out a tweet saying, I told you, confirmed she, the doctor, did not violate HIPAA. It was actually a three-way call. And the statement pertaining to Superman neck came from her. Andrew Colbett, in that regard, was doing Erica's bidding. He was taking a figurative bullet for her She did not misspeak there. There's no way to look around it. She lied.
She lied right to my face when she said that. She knew that HIPAA, he didn't violate HIPAA. She lied in a doctor, a surgeon, and she knew that she was on that call. So let's just say that clearly. We've also now confirmed that she was at the Hamptons retreat, the now infamous retreat. Hampton's retreat, she was present when Bibi Netanyahu called.
And that bothers me because I was out here catching a lot of heat for telling the truth. Now, we have two different versions of that story. Andrew Colbett said that Bibi offered to fund Turning Point to the Next Level. I have since confirmed what Andrew Colbett said with two people that are not related to Andrew Colbett at all.
Erica, despite being at that dinner and confirming that she was there, does not remember that part.
Chapter 4: What controversies surround Erica Kirk's leadership at TPUSA?
She says that there was not an offer that was made and that Bibi was calling about the letter that Charlie wrote him back in May. Andrew confirmed to me that Charlie described that summit as like an intervention was being staged over Israel. So I find that to be interesting.
Again, with everything that we now know, my assumption was she didn't weigh in, weighed into things and weighed into the water and didn't say anything about the debate that was happening because she was so overwhelmed and kind of catching her breath as a new CEO and chairman. I think now I have a different perspective on that.
I'm not sure why she did not come out and say if she was capable of doing calls and sitting down and doing meetings, come out and say like, yes, this Hampton Summit did happen. Yes, Bebe did call and try to work through with Andrew why they have different memories of whether or not he called to fund things to the next level.
We have also confirmed that Erica and Andrew were working together on that Fort Huachuca PR response. That was the craziest tax I've ever endured. Alex Jones, quite entertainingly, he's coming for me my whole life, everything. But that PR response was confirmed that she was a part of that through this obscure YouTuber, Paramount Tactical, rather than going directly to me after we sat down.
That, to me, seems like a pretty... strong violation of a well-meaning conversation that I had with her for four hours. And I should also mention that that was the same YouTuber, despite also going into Mitch's entire past, Mitch No's past.
But after calling for a ceasefire and saying, let us sit down and talk, they welcomed Paramount Tactical onto Charlie Kirk's podcast show while I was in this hotel room to debunk me. I had no idea it was happening. And then that, I think, was the beginning of when it clicked to me.
Seeing that him being caught live, Andrew Colbert live messaging something from Erica after she told me that they were disappointed in Andrew, that he wasn't going to be involved in PR anymore, that's when I realized that I was being lied to, that she was making moves behind the scenes. And the answer that we will likely never get, to add one more point here,
is whether Andrew was lying or Erica was confused. And I would like to say that I don't believe Andrew was lying. I believe Andrew was telling me the truth when he said that when he stepped off of the plane in Provo on September 10th, he basically collapsed into Erica's arms, crying on the tarmac. Because he had all this pent-up emotion, had this big plane.
Everyone was messaging him about Charlie asking for his status. He didn't know what was going on. And the impression that I got was that Andrew was on that plane alone. But then we were later told that Andrew was accompanied by his wife. But Erica, during our face-to-face meeting, had no recollection of his wife stepping off of the plane.
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Chapter 5: What are the implications of the PR campaign against Candace Owens?
When I asked, I said, was he with his wife? She was unable to answer that question as to whether or not Andrew flew in with his wife to Provo. How is that possible? Is Andrew lying about that? Or is Erica misremembering
What we know thereafter is that when they arrived at the hospital, after waiting for an hour, if Andrew was to believe, then she waited for an hour on the tarmac for Andrew's flight to land. They arrived at the hospital and went in through separate entrances. Andrew went through the front main entrance where there were other TPUSA staff there, people that were there on that day.
And Erica went in through a back or side entrance. These are the facts, okay? If they disturb you, then you should know that you are not alone. The world obviously melted down yesterday when we played the corporate wide call hosted by Erica to Turning Point employees following the memorial event.
The overwhelming consensus, the human response to that is that you feel disturbed when you listen to it, spiritually disturbed by the emotion of it, the happiness. Speaking about merchandise being sold, hats being sold. Again, this is not a sales call. This is the entire team on the phone. This conversation new corporate-wide call that I'm going to share with you today took place even earlier.
so that you can go back into your time machines. It took place just five and a half days after Charlie was pronounced dead, five and a half days later. The date is September 16th. This is when Turning Point USA employees are told that Erica is going to be replacing Charlie as the CEO and chairman.
The public is going to be informed a day later on September 17th in a public letter signed off by Doug DeGroot, who's on the board. And I should be clear that when Doug DeGroote, going backward and looking at the announcement, he makes it very biblical, very biblical, which is a common theme here. Everything is about this is what God has ordained. Here is the letter.
I'm just going to read the top here. It reads, in Ecclesiastes, King Solomon wrote that mankind is to be tested by God. Today, we are facing such a test, yet we also know that God has prepared us with everything that we need to overcome this ordeal. It was the honor of our lives to serve as board members of Charlie's side. Charlie prepared all of us for a moment like this one.
He worked tirelessly to ensure Turning Point USA was built to survive even the greatest tests. And now it is our great pride to announce Erica Kirk as the new CEO and chair of the board for Turning Point USA.
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Chapter 6: How did the corporate culture at TPUSA change after Charlie's death?
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So I want you to remember that it's like going, I don't even remember that letter at all. So that's why I'm showing it to you. It's King Solomon and it's, you know, this is what God wants. Okay. Now, this decision, like I said, published on the 17th was actually voted upon earlier.
I know because Andrew Colvette told me before the public knew that the board had selected Erica within about 72 hours of Charlie's death. I was crying on the phone with him, already concerned by the obvious attempt from people who hated Charlie previously, now committing themselves publicly to taking over his legacy, filling in his boots, picking up his bloody mic.
And Andrew reassured me that the decision had already been made and that it was Erica who That was going to take over. And in my aggrieved state, I said, OK, great. Amazing. Thank God. I'm so happy to hear that. So I'm so happy that none of these people who literally hated him are going to try to sit in his chair.
Now, in hindsight, practically speaking, this means that within a space of about 72 hours, someone approached Erica and thought that the right thing to ask or say was, hey, I know you're going through a lot right now, but is it okay if we put your name up for the position of CEO and can we put that to a board vote today?
Are you willing and able to take over as the chairman and the CEO in Charlie's stead? To which Erica had to have replied, yes, she had to give her consent for that to go up for a board vote. Okay, that's just a fact that had to take place. How it happened, exactly when it was said, somebody felt that was appropriate to say that. Now, my first 72 hours was a little bit different.
On my end, when Mitchell, my PR agent, sent me a very kind message about the infinite press requests that we had been receiving, people seeking a statement from me regarding how I felt about Charlie's public assassination, I wanted to physically assault him. He did nothing wrong. He actually did his job with the utmost professionalism and care. And still, I kind of wanted to kick Mitchell.
I'm sorry, Mitchell. That's how I felt at that time because everything just felt so intrusive. Like to even think about the world going on felt wrong.
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Chapter 7: What role did Andrew Colbett play in the unfolding drama?
I didn't think anything of her appointment at that time or beyond it other than what I stated publicly, which was that Turning Point USA should have waited and instead appointed an interim CEO to allow Erica the time that she needed to grief rather than her having to deal with everyone questioning her moves as a CEO. But I also contended with myself, I will say.
I also thought, well, maybe they rushed the decision because it was symbolic and they felt it was necessary, that it was sort of honorific, meaning she wasn't really going to do anything at that time. But they wanted to announce that this is the direction that it's going. Which would be fair, like just wanting the announcement to mean something.
And on her end, I thought maybe Erica said yes because she wanted to hold on to some sense of continuity. Like this is still going to go on. We're going to get everything going. And that still could be true, by the way. That could have been what drove her decision.
But of course, looking in retrospect, it is stunning to me that Erica chose not to bring a single member of her actual family with her to Utah. Something that just sort of missed at the time. Just turning point family. Think about that. Charlie Kirk's mother, father, sister, they all raced to Utah to be with him at the hospital, which is to be expected.
But Erica, no one in her immediate family joined her in her darkest hour. Not her mom, okay? We were told that she was sick. Dad also lives in Scottsdale. Sister, yes, she does have one. Cousins, friends from high school. After all, she grew up in Arizona, right? That's where she went to school. That's where she went to high school.
Instead, she was joined by Stacey Sheridan, who was playing the part of her mother. Stacey, who is the head of fundraising for Turning Point USA. Don't forget, it was Stacey Sheridan, who concerns herself with Turning Point raising money, who filmed Charlie and the Casket. It is Stacey Sheridan who traveled with Erica.
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Chapter 8: What are the reactions of TPUSA employees to recent events?
She's the one who was holding Erica, holding her hand as Charlie's casket was coming off of Air Force Two. That was Stacey Sheridan standing next to her recording. Not her mother, not her dad, not Erica's sister. you just would think that somebody, that you would call somebody close to you that does not exist in a corporate structure to be by your side.
That is my now totally rational perspective looking backward. But it was Stacey Sheridan, who I have told you since day one, I personally warned Charlie about her. That is my personal opinion, that there is no rung into hell that Stacey Sheridan will not descend upon for a dollar. That's my experience with her. But this person was somehow crucial. Crucial to...
Coming and being beside Erica at all moments. Car rides, everything. If you go back and look, it is Stacey. You would think Stacey Sheridan was Erica's mother. You can even check out this clip, which is her in a car. Stacey, just everywhere. On the phone, Stacey is there capturing every moment. Me, I needed my sister to fly in to be by my side. Husband, cousin.
Erica needed the head of gifts and donations. I don't I find that to be very strange. And I've checked with people at the hospital. No, no family was there. Now let's get back to September 16th, though, because I like to focus on that date. Because with Stacey in earshot, Erica is going to address the company for the first time. That's not a small task, by the way, okay?
She is, as you will see, at the office. She doesn't have full hair and makeup on, which, of course, I think I welcome that as a good thing. I don't expect her to be at the office, but I'm happy that she's not in full hair and makeup because this is five and a half days after her husband was pronounced dead. This is before we've had his funeral, anything. And I'm going to let you decide.
And I'm going to tell you that... The employees that chose to record this and the employees that are still there and upset with the manner in which people were fired are saying that they feel like it was like a cult. Like they... knew something was off. They felt like they were being manipulated, that they were only given Erica as this symbol of you guys need to work harder, right?
As though Charlie's wife was being used to convince employees that it is now a mandate handed to them by God to work harder, to sacrifice themselves, to work longer days, because this is their new family. This this word I've always been struck by this describing the employees like a family to drive them to work like horses only to then fire them after a quarter billion is raised is wild.
OK, like I said, at least she is not dressed in hair and makeup. She is the office. I would say the bad news is that once again, Erica is going to stop herself from using the word happy. in the context of Charlie and how he must be feeling in heaven. I'm going to let this play out for five minutes straight.
And there is no context needed other than this is five and a half days after her husband was publicly assassinated. And yes, in the background, that is Terrell Farnsworth, the guy who took down the cameras. But we're going to see, we are going to see some grief. So I'm going to allow you guys to watch this for five minutes.
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