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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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It starts at 3.30. Draft gets going just after 4. So we're previewing the draft quickly, getting into the draft. We don't have time to do a mailbag tomorrow. But we can't go through the whole week and not do Mailbag Friday. I feel like we gotta speedrun these now. Yeah. We have a... Yeah, we got to get through. We usually have mailbag overflow, so we're kind of cool and calm about it.
We're like, yeah, we can be relaxed. You don't want to stay an extra half hour? It's mailbag express today.
You got to talk in 1.5 speed, Vic. You're used to it.
I listen in 1.5 speed. I don't talk in 1. Actually, I do talk fast.
not yeah not that me trying to talk at 1.5 while listening at 1.5 oh that'd be challenging do you ever listen i guess we should you know i'm just going to start with questions actually well technically yours was a mailbag question something i know well it's not important though these ones are more important uh canucks truther with the manny bump and healthy thatcher demko are the canucks still a bottom five team next year
I still think they're going to be a bottom five team, but there is a pathway in today's NHL with how, especially like, I think being a contender is harder than ever. Being a borderline playoff team might be easier than ever, given the fact there are still 32 teams, but I think the bar is a bit lower.
There is a world, of course, where things just pop together and they're closer to the playoff bar than the first overall pick bar. But if I'm looking at their roster still and looking at injuries are still inevitable to some degree, I still look at this as a bottom five team.
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Chapter 2: What is the Manny and Demko bump and its implications for the Canucks?
And then a second and a prospect or a young player is probably worth another pick. So it's like it's like you can look at it as like for first round pick value in general, but it comes in a different type of shape. You kind of wonder about that. So maybe the only reason they got this price for Byron in the first place was because the Canucks set the bar with a trade they made with Quinn.
That set the new precedent for this type of a deal. Carry the one. I followed all that.
Yeah. Next one from Brock from Vancouver. Do you think the Canucks will make any transactions before the first round starting tomorrow afternoon? If so, for what? And if not, why not? So once the draft starts?
Before the draft starts. Before a draft starts. I mean, I'm not confident they're going to make a trade, but I think they're like... I think they... So one thing RJ also mentioned, you know, we didn't mention this part, but he said, I don't want to come back with the same roster. I do want to make changes.
Now, he did say, like, it doesn't have to be the biggest changes, but I do want to make changes. We do want to bring new blood in. We do want to get guys out. Like, we do want to turn this roster over. So there's a real desire for it to happen.
Is that additions or exclusions? Because if the UFAs are going out, it's like, okay, subtle changes.
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Chapter 3: Are the Canucks still a bottom five team next year?
And then you kind of piece together the next guys.
But even the UFAs, I think even signing UFAs, I think they want to move guys out to make room for the UFAs, right? So I'll say, I think there's more ambition and there's more urgency to make trades and move guys out than he's letting on. So... Am I confident they'll make a trade before the draft? No, but I certainly wouldn't be surprised at all.
Are you taking the over 0.5 trades before the draft tomorrow? Before? Yeah. I'll take the under. Yeah, because, I mean, did you make trades on the second day of the draft?
Yeah. Yeah. Next one from Ricky. Why does Filip Peronic so stubbornly want to stay in Vancouver when he and everyone else knows they will be a losing team for at least the next few years? How dare someone like the city of Vancouver? Yeah, I mean... We're talking about the World Cup and how awesome the vibes are, and we're like, well, Phil, you can't enjoy it.
Maybe he just wanted to be here for the World Cup. He's even here. He's cool being traded, like, July 8th. The way Canucks fans are treating Philip Pronick is like the SpongeBob meme of, like, we're all having fun outside, but, Phil, you stay inside. Yeah, you stay inside. Don't enjoy any of this.
Yeah, I mean... So, I don't think that... Peronic isn't necessarily married to being on a bad team into eternity. But I do think there are family considerations about wanting to be here. I think his family's very happy here. They're content. And when you have that and you don't want to mess with a good thing, I can understand that. But is that going to continue?
when you finish bottom five again next season and you look at it and you're like okay well now they moved other guys off the team we're years away from being good you're going to be close to 30 do you ever do you want to continue your your career and get to a point where you're staring at your mid-30s you've been to the playoffs once or twice because is that what makes you happy so i i'm skeptical that as much as he has resolved now that this will remain for six nine twelve months
Got to break them down. Next one from D Molson. If they are against trading Filipronic, should they pivot and put Marcus Patterson's name on the trade market? Yes. Yeah, but I feel like it should be out there regardless.
Yeah. But here's the thing that RJ said today. He says, I'm talking to all teams about all sorts of possibilities. I've spoken to all 31 other teams. And if something comes along, I think there's semantics in terms of, is a guy being shopped or are we listening to them?
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Chapter 4: What trade value does Quinn Hughes hold in the current market?
But if you're talking to every single team and you're not saying nobody's off limits... Are you not having trade discussions? If you're gauging interest from other teams saying, hey, what's going on? What are you guys thinking? What do you believe? What do you think of my roster? What do you look at when it comes to my team?
You're essentially asking teams to give their opinion about your players, all the players. So just because we don't see Marcus Patterson's name out there specifically, I don't think it means that they're not exploring options. But as we've also heard, Dollywall report that he wants to stay in Vancouver.
Now, we had Sheng Peng on the show who reported that the Sharks may have some interest in Marcus Patterson. And he said, you hear that sometimes in players, they say that publicly, but then behind closed doors, they're going to be open to it. I don't believe there's such a thing where the Canucks are not considering Heronic and Patterson and all of a sudden tomorrow they'll consider it.
I think all things are on the table depending on what's being offered by other teams.
Next one comes from Free Petey. Matthew Nyes is apparently available for chase read. Should the Canucks consider that straight up? So I'm assuming it's just like, hey, would you trade third overall for Matthew Nyes? For Nyes? No. Why would you do that as a Canucks right now? I don't know. It'd be silly. A lot of people like Matthew Nyes. Why are the Leafs trying to trade Matthew Nyes?
I mean, he's the only car they have. Yeah, it's like you got to win.
No, I don't disagree. It is a strange one, unless there's something that they know.
And you're like, we really got to find another Matthew Knight.
I wish we had a 23 year old top six winger. Yeah, it's a bit of an odd one. Now, I don't think it means that they are for sure trading him. That was more of a trade living thing. and he didn't make that happen, and now you have... It still feels like, based on reports, his name is still out there. Yeah, I'm sure his name is out there, and you're listening to it, but it makes no sense.
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Chapter 5: Will the Canucks make any trades before the NHL draft?
I think fans want to embrace a rebuild. I think they want to see more convincing signs of a rebuild, as if we haven't seen enough, but in terms of, like, are you trading more guys away? But I think there's impatience about the timeline for veterans to get traded. Like, we're not even July 1st yet, and we have people texting in and saying they're not rebuilding.
They're gaslighting us with this rebuild. They want to hold on to it. They want to win games. And it's like, they haven't said any of these things. But there's so much skepticism still that... I think maybe there is some impatience, but I think it's more about the movement, not the rebuild itself.
You know, we use the term like PTSD for like, oh, the rebuild hasn't happened. It's almost like. Rather than post, it's pre. Can we wait to see what this regime does? Like, you do have to kind of reset the board to say, okay, how have they done this? And what will happen moving forward?
If we are past the trade deadline and Hornix is not moved, like, suddenly, okay, the nerves are really going to be...
born thin it's like are you gonna do the heronic thing it's like your next spot is the draft and okay we can wait till then but you're kind of running out of time yeah and I do think you know like Michael says fans want the old group out I do think that the previous core left such a bad taste in so many Canuck fans mouth that they just want to get rid of everything sure and they can't wait for these guys to be gone and I understand that aspect we get it it's like but you have to acknowledge it's like all those guys signed contracts yeah
Like, also acknowledge the reality. It's, Elias Patterson's got six years left. Philip Pronick's got a lot of years left. Should, like, all those guys have gotten deals? Probably not. We go back to that summer where, like, Brock Besser, Demko, all those guys got contracts. Garland. They shouldn't have done that. But you have to work the current problem.
And the current problem is like, all these guys have contracts.
Yeah. And also, for me, the most important thing, honestly, is trying to get some value out of what you have. The Canucks don't have many tradable pieces. They have a few veterans. The most important thing is getting value for those guys. Hronik's the one that we've talked about.
I can be patient, but I think you have to move him here at some point, whether it's now, the trade deadline, or at the very least next offseason. But I think that move has to happen. But when it comes to the other players, I want them to be able to get more for those players. So if you have to bring them back to regain their value, I think you do it because you need the assets.
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