Jill Schulman, Founder & Principal of Breakthrough Leadership Group and author of The Bravery Effect, joins Clint Betts for a conversation on fear, leadership, resilience, and the science of bravery.A former United States Marine Corps officer and happiness scientist trained in positive psychology at the University of Pennsylvania, Jill has dedicated her career to helping leaders overcome fear and unlock their highest potential.In this episode, Jill explains why bravery isn’t about fearlessness — it’s about taking action despite fear — and why that mindset is essential for CEOs, executives, and anyone navigating uncertainty in today’s world.The conversation also explores Stoicism, leadership under pressure, difficult conversations, AI, and how courage can fundamentally reshape both organizations and personal lives.00:00:00 - Introduction and Guest Background00:00:21 - Discovering the Study of Bravery00:01:03 - The Role of Fear in Happiness and Self-Actualization00:01:56 - Defining Bravery00:02:08 - Writing "The Bravery Effect"00:02:41 - The Book Writing Process00:04:04 - Collaborating with a Ghostwriter00:05:05 - Publishing Challenges00:05:27 - Practical Examples of Brave Leadership00:06:07 - Leading Through Uncertainty00:08:14 - Having Difficult Conversations00:09:46 - Motivation to Join the Marines00:11:29 - Founding Breakthrough Leadership Group00:14:57 - A Typical Day in Jill's Life00:16:35 - Speaking Engagements00:17:25 - Impact of AI on Work00:19:23 - Reading Preferences and Recommendations00:22:05 - The Importance of Giving and Taking Chances00:22:23 - Acknowledging Key Supporters00:23:04 - Closing RemarksIf you’re interested in leadership, psychology, resilience, personal growth, or becoming a more courageous leader, this conversation is packed with practical insights and inspiration.Subscribe for more conversations with founders, CEOs, and leaders shaping the future of business and leadership.

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