Chain of Thought
First Code, Then AGI: Software’s Event Horizon with Poolside Founders Jason Warner & Eiso Kant
14 May 2025
Is the prevailing approach to Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) missing a crucial step – deep, focused specialization? For the first time since co-founding Poolside, CEO Jason Warner & CTO Eiso Kant reunite on a podcast articulating their distinct vision for AI's future with our host, Conor Bronsdon. Poolside has intentionally diverged from general-purpose models, developing highly specialized AI meticulously designed for the specific, complex task of coding, viewing it as a direct and robust pathway towards achieving AGI, and revolutionizing how software is created.Jason and Eiso dive deep into the core tenets of their strategy: an unwavering conviction in reinforcement learning through code execution feedback and the burgeoning power of synthetic data, which they believe will help expand the surface area of software by an astounding 1000x. They candidly discuss the "devil's trade" of data privacy, Poolside's commitment to enterprise-grade AI for high-consequence systems, and why true innovation requires moving beyond flashy demos to solve real-world, critical challenges. Looking towards the horizon, they also share their insights on the evolving role of software engineers, where human agency, taste, and judgment become paramount in a landscape augmented by AI "coworkers." They also explore the profound societal implications of their work and the AI industry more generally, touching upon the "event horizon" of intelligent systems and the immense responsibility that comes with being at the forefront of this technological wave. Chapters00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome01:19 Founding of Poolside02:56 Vision for AGI and Reinforcement Learning05:36 Defining AGI and Its Implications10:03 Training Models for Software Development17:08 Scaling and Synthetic Data20:12 Focus on High-Consequence Systems26:17 Privacy and Security in AI Solutions28:09 Earning Trust with Developers31:08 Reinforcement Learning and Compute34:29 The Vision for AI's Future39:50 Will Developers Still Exist?47:07 Poolside Cloud's Ambitions49:37 ConclusionFollow the hostsFollow AtinFollow ConorFollow VikramFollow YashFollow Today's Guest(s)Website: poolside.aiLinkedIn: Jason WarnerLinkedIn: Eiso KantCheck out GalileoTry GalileoAgent Leaderboard
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