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Chapter 1: What cultural significance does 'All That Jazz' hold?
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Annabelle Crabb. Lee Sales, you've got this puppy about to be taken for a walk look on your puss right now.
I love that look. I love that you got puppy and puss into the same sentence. It's because I'm a skilled craftswoman. And here's what's coming your way, some monkey business. No, we've done something a little bit fun and interesting.
So one of our favorite things about this podcast is interacting with the community, like which we get to do via the Facebook group and live shows and things of that ilk. Anyway, as we all know, I'm a massive fan of Bill Nye's podcast. And so we've just dipped a toe in the If you want to ask us something, just send us a little audio file introducing yourself and drop something in.
And so we'll do a normal episode. But later on, we've got some questions coming our way. I know. It's very fun. And I haven't heard any of them. No, me either. So we're going to be surprised. Yeah. Hopefully on the upside.
Now, I am actually smiling because I saw a really great show at the weekend on Friday night in Sydney. And I was always going to go see it because it's directed by a friend of the podcast, Virginia Gay. And it's for Bell Shakespeare. And it's called Mackenzie. And it's written by Eve Blake who I actually met on Friday night and I have always been a huge fan of hers.
She's a young Australian playwright who wrote a show called Fangirls. Oh, yeah. I remember hearing about that. I didn't see it. It took my children to see it many times. Anyway.
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Chapter 2: How do Crabb and Sales engage with their audience during the episode?
This is a retelling of Macbeth but instead of a standard Macbeth and Lady Macbeth situation, the Macbeth character is a like teen TV star on a kind of like, you know, popular influencer show. And the Lady Macbeth figure is her terrifying screen mom. Oh, what a great. Oh, isn't it? Concept. Right?
And so it's set on, you know, on the set of this TV show and the scrimmage and backstabbing is to be the top dog on the TV show. Right. And it is also a musical. Well, it's got songs. Right. huge high energy and a small cast that just run around doing costume changes. Like they each play about four or five characters.
And the writing is so funny and the physical comedy is so great that I just loved it. My face hurt at the end. And I think it's ā I loved it because I just think I love Shakespeare so much and I love a really clever adaptation of Shakespeare. And this is one that like ā like there's a bit of swearing in it. You could definitely take a sort of teenage kid along for sure. It's really funny.
And the way that they deftly borrow from Macbeth is gorgeous. Fantastic.
Sounds very clever. I just realised we might've confused people by saying we're taking questions and then you launched into talking about something. We'll take some questions at
the end we've got the questions yes and we might on another occasion we might do a whole episode of questions depends if if you guys yeah as in you guys listening enjoy it um and like us doing it so you know just send us some feedback let us know what you think to be fair sales like it is entirely plausible that this could have been a whole episode of questions and i've just digressed
That would also not be unprecedented. So back to the normal part of the episode. We both, a rare thing for us, I reckon we probably do it maybe once a year, once every two years, went to the cinema together and we saw the film, the 1970s classic, All That Jazz, directed by Bob Fosse, starring Roy Scheider. Yeah.
Now, okay, I want to ask, so you have been saying to me for a long time, I really want you to see All That Jazz and I really want to watch you watching All That Jazz to see your reaction. When we were watching it, I then wondered, did Annabelle actually remember what this film was like and was she thinking of it correctly when she was thinking, I really want you to see this?
I wasn't sure if you'd forgotten what it was like.
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Chapter 3: What are the highlights of the recent play 'Mackenzie'?
So I had a bit. I wanted you to see it because the choreography is so incredible. Yeah. But for the first half hour, I must admit, as we sat there virtually alone in the cinema, I thought... Was I high when I watched this? Because the worst bits of the film kind of come in the first half an hour. Like there's a few like really dated things. So the story of the movie is. Yeah, sorry, you go.
So Bob Fosse is just extraordinary, legendary 1970s choreographer. It's a film and director. It's a film that he made. That is about a charismatic, alcoholic, pill-popping choreographer slash director who's a serial cheater on his wives. And he's called Joe, but basically it's kind of Bob Fosse's life. made by Bob Fosse. Anyway, it's the early part of the film.
He's doing a lot of talking with the Angel of Death, who is played by Jessica Lange, who's wearing a truly preposterous hat, you know, just ludicrous. The film starts with about a 15-minute audition montage. So you see all this great dancing and you're like, what on earth is going on? Anyway, so in the first parts of the film I was just like, oh, Far out. I love this film, but it's kind of odd.
And then by about halfway I'm like, no, this is why I like this film. What did you think as we were watching it?
Okay, so it's definitely a strange film and it does have a real 1970s vibe. Like there's something about it that feels weird. Like when we emerged from the cinema into daylight it felt strange. really discombobulating. And I think, as you say, I think it was the two of us in the cinema, an older woman and a youngish guy who came in sequins and a little sort of fedora hat.
So it was kind of that was the scene. And... Look, I did enjoy it. I mean, for me the high point of the film, so Roy Scheider was amazing. The film reminded me a little bit of the Michael Fassbender film Shame where he's a sex addict.
He's a guy who works in like finance or something in New York and he's a sex addict and he's basically, his life's being destroyed by his addiction to sort of casual anonymous sex with people and it just gets worse and worse as the film goes on and he kind of wakes up every day and it's a bit Groundhog Day and he can't escape it and that's a little bit like,
the character in this film there's a lot of self-destructive behavior that feels fun at the time but is kind of just ruining his life um and every you know the film periodically starts with him getting up and he pops some pills to wake up and he Kind of looks in the mirror and tries to get his razzle-dazzle happening and so on. But the high point, as you say, is the choreography.
His girlfriend is played by the Broadway legend Anne Reinking and she's just absolutely wonderful.
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Chapter 4: What is the plot of the film 'All That Jazz'?
And it's so incredibly funny. It's called Make That Movie. It's on HBO Max. It stars Sam Campbell and Aaron Chen. Sam Campbell is brilliant. Sam Campbell is so funny and brilliant.
So it's called Make That Movie and so Sam Campbell is this kind of film director who has a unit of, I guess, what you'd call guerrilla filmmakers, one of whom is Aaron Chen, and people send them a video asking them to make a movie. So you know how people sometimes go, so for example, episode one, you know, people are like, you should make a movie about that. So hence the title, Make That Movie.
So this very kind of strange-looking man who works in a kind of photocopying-style shop... Sends them a video to go, I've had this idea for a movie and it's where a couple become snakes but only one of them is a snake at any given time. So when the man's a snake, the woman's still a human and when he becomes a human, she turns into a snake. You should make that movie.
It's been made. It's called Lady Hawk. It's got Rutger Hauer in it. It's totally been made.
So then Sam Campbell and his group of filmmakers come and they meet those people and they make that every episode is them making it. It's a drama. It's a comedy, right? It's not a real life reality.
It's such a good concept.
It's a comedy. Anyway, it's so, it's one of those comedies, I like this style of comedy and it's where every character is mad but they're all kind of very uniquely mad in their own mad kind of way. And it's just kind of almost surreal and ridiculous and it just keeps going like that. So one bit that I laughed at so hard that I had to pause, they've got the cameraman who,
is this kind of elderly man who looks like late 80s. He's really old but he's a kind of legendary old cinematographer. Anyway, he's there filming in a nursing home and somebody refers to an all-boys school and he goes, yeah, I went to a four-boys school. And the girl goes, I think he meant an all-boys school. And he went, no, a four-boys school. It was a radical experiment in discipline.
It was four boys and 129 teachers. And they quickly cut to the school photo. It's in black and white. And there's these four tiny little boys in the front and they're so dangerous.
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Chapter 5: How does 'All That Jazz' reflect Bob Fosse's life and career?
Now, we all know that you're both excellent writers and we know that you read a lot of fiction. Have you ever thought about writing a novel? And if you were to write one, what kind of book would it be? Like, I mean, you don't have to pitch the idea to me, but like, I just want to know what kind of book, you know, would it be, would you want to write a crime?
Like if you could only write one book, crime or humorous or a literary page turner. Also, what's stopping you? I mean, apart from having relentlessly busy lives and all that, because I want to read your novels.
What's stopping us? Time. We just don't have enough time. I'd love to write a novel because, you know, I love reading and I think that's a fatal error people make sometimes that they think because they like reading that they can write. I've got about 50,000 words of a novel sitting in my drawer, but I just think it's not very good.
But as for what I'd write, probably, you know, what do they call it? Autofiction probably. I'd end up writing some thinly veiled thing drawn from my own life, no doubt, like almost everyone does these days.
I thought you were about to say autoeroticism for some reason and I was about to stand and applaud. Kate from Melbourne, yeah, I actually have ā a full novel sketched out in the Notes app on my phone. I outlined it to my teenage daughter when we were flying somewhere a year or two back. And she's like, mum, this is really good. If you don't write this in the next two years, I will write it.
And I haven't. But I think she's forgotten. So yeah, anyway, would love to, but terrified at the idea that I read so many great novels, it would kill me to write a not very good one.
Hello, fearless leaders. It's Maria here from Newcastle, long-time listener, first-time caller. The question that I had, I'm curious, if you could forego one piece of clothing for the rest of your life... This can include accessories. What would it be? And what's your reason behind giving it up for good?
Keep doing the great work. Maria from Newcastle, great question. I would say definitely without even, I didn't even hesitate, scarves. You know, some women put a scarf on and it just looks jaunty and cool and whatever. I look weird. I always look weird with a scarf. I don't know what it is. I either look like a kind of... old lady or just a maniac. I don't know what it is.
I'd very happily say goodbye to scarves.
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Chapter 6: What are the standout performances in 'All That Jazz'?
I'd love to know your favourite Monda Green, your favourite misheard song lyric. A few years back I asked Eddie Izzard and their answer was, every time you go away you take a piece of meat with you, which was from a Paul Young song. Thanks a lot.
Oh, I love these so much. What a great, great question. I'm instantly reminded of my favourite one of these ever, which is my friend Sarah, who at university shamefacedly revealed that for a long time she thought the song There's a Bad Moon on the Rise was There's a Bathroom on the Right Path.
That's a good one.
Just a polite host instruction rather than a lyric about impending doom.
I can't think of one off the top of my head, but my ex-husband used to say that I pretty much every song I would be singing the wrong lyrics to. And occasionally he'd pull me up on one and he'd go, listen to what you just said. Like that doesn't even make sense. How could you think that that is the lyric of the song? But unfortunately none of them are springing immediately to mind.
Well, I'll throw in another one because this is quite a well-ventilated one and I don't know who had this one first. But the lyric, the Jimi Hendrix lyric, excuse me while I kiss the sky, was widely understood as excuse me while I kiss this guy. Yeah. Very different, yeah. Yeah. Good question. These questions are so cool. Yeah, I love it.
And I love hearing everyone's voice too. Yeah. It's just really nice. It's energising. Yeah. Okay, so should we squeeze in one more? Ooh. Okay, last question.
Hi, Lee and Annabelle. It's Sue here from Sedgwick in Victoria. First of all, please come to Bendigo and do a show soon. The second thing is I really miss all the recipes you guys used to talk about and what you cooked. So if you can, I'd love to hear some more of what your latest cooking discovery has been. Thank you. Bye.
Thank you, Sue.
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