All links and images for this episode can be found on CISO Series It's extremely hard to tell if a cybersecurity leader is doing a good job. In fact, it's tough for even them to know. Our best bet is watching for an improvement in the cybersecurity program over time. This week's episode is hosted by me, David Spark (@dspark), producer of CISO Series and Mike Johnson. Our sponsored guest is Mark Wojtasiak (@markwojtasiak), vice president, research & strategy, Code42 and co-author of "Inside Jobs." Thanks to this week's podcast sponsor, Code42 As organizations gradually and cautiously move out of adapt out of adapt-or-die mode into the post-pandemic era, we can expect a second phase of digital transformation: resilience building. This presents an opportunity for security teams. An opportunity to re-imagine data security. More from Code42. In this episode: What is your business's biggest frustration when managing cybersecurity? Aaaand...what is your biggest frustration when managing cybersecurity? How do you know when a Security Leader (including yourself) is doing a good job? Would it help if Security hired a marketing manager?

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