All links and images for this episode can be found on CISO Series What game should we play where we can trust you to behave fairly, but at the same time see how you could take advantage of us? This week's episode is hosted by me, David Spark (@dspark), producer of CISO Series and Mike Johnson. Our guest is Deneen DiFiore (@deneendifiore), CISO, United Airlines. Thanks to our podcast sponsor, Code42 As organizations gradually and cautiously move out of adapt out of adapt-or-die mode into the post-pandemic era, we can expect a second phase of digital transformation: resilience building. This presents an opportunity for security teams. An opportunity to re-imagine data security. More from Code42. In this episode: Does becoming a business-minded security person take time? What does a qualified, entry level candidate have to do to get noticed? Without clear ROI, how does a CISO justify their budget? What game taught you the most about thinking like a hacker?

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