Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
We need a studio tour. We can't wait to see what you've done with Michael's desk. It's like I did nothing. I don't know if you guys know this, but this stuff is expensive. And we are not spending a lot of money on Michael's space. I know what we have to open with. Nobody believes me that you tricked me into writing a book.
And the more that I have thought about this, how this all played itself out. A... It was your idea to begin with. You had the idea and approached me of let's write a book, two different angles. We can pick certain subject matters, maybe seven or eight, whatever it was.
We'd figure out a way to italicize the text or whatever so people could see that this would be my thoughts on it, then there would be your thoughts on it. We are supposed to write a test chapter. I think we did, actually. Why did you just use the word we? Because I did. Yeah, I remember that. What happened? You showed up to the date where we were going to submit our test chapter. Yeah.
And didn't have a chapter that you had written. It was so hard. No, I think you never intended to. I think it was your long-term play to trick me into writing a book. I had talked about that for years. About tricking me into writing a book?
Yeah. We had talked about, and you refused. I know. You legitimately for two years refused to even talk. You would get uncomfortable even off camera and be like, no, man, I'm just, I'm not doing that. I'm like, all right, we'll see. Yeah. Well, I didn't say it out loud. We'll see.
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Chapter 2: How did Mike Glover's writing process for the book unfold?
I said- Was that your long-term play to trick me? Well, I legitimately, I thought a army Navy special operations leadership book. Cause we had been on the road for probably a year at that point with leadership and it was really effective. And I was like, man, this should be evolved into a book. And then I realized when we went to the writer's table and we worked with
basically a person who put it together production-wise. Why do you keep using the term we? Because it was we until I was like, this ain't going to work.
It was we until it became me.
Do you think it would have worked? Yes. I don't think it would have worked.
Also what would have worked is if when we went from the me or the we and it became the me is if you would have told the we that you didn't want to do it. Because you, well, I mean, let's be honest, your life absolutely crumbled and fell apart for a period of years.
So that would have been a good, in hindsight, in hindsight, it was the perfect timing. Because honestly, I think at the time we talked about the book, people need a guide to leadership that's more practical. Because here's the defining moment where I think you were on board.
We were talking about how a lot of military leadership books, when they communicate about leadership, and we discovered this, by the way, I think in our seminars that we were doing together again and again and again, was that a lot of the principles that we think translate, they do not translate. Most of them don't. Yeah, and your exact verbiage was, it's because you have buy-in.
Most of the operators you work with, they're there because they volunteered, they went through a process, and they're there. In civilian speak and terms, a lot of people don't want to be where they're at.
Well, you also can't replicate the environment that got us to the places we were at. Yeah. Yeah. I take that back. I'll rephrase that. I don't think you can replicate those environments without getting sued. Yeah. Because we volunteered in our perhaps less intelligent youthful days for a training pipeline and protocol that is nonsensical in so many ways that involves a lot of discomfort and pain.
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Chapter 3: What challenges did Mike face in his personal life?
I actually have a lot of the book in emails. You do? Yeah, I've read a lot. Oh, you son of a bitch. So what's crazy is like, I don't, you're a really good effective writer. You've always been a good writer. And I've known that. Your close friends know that. And when you got interested in the subject matter and then you were bought into it, you were off to the races.
I found the process to be quite easy as far as creating the initial document. I am so incredibly thankful that there are people who specialize in editing and Because I've determined a few things. I do not have mastery of the semicolon. Yeah. There are many words that I was pluralizing that in an English spoken by somebody with an IQ higher than a room temperature thermometer doesn't do.
The repetitive nature of some of the edits they made, I left reading those documents thinking, thank you so much. I am glad I didn't try to self-publish this in the form that it was in because that would have been real, real bad. The question would be, are you satisfied with it? Because that, I noticed- I would always make changes.
Even to this day, when I was reading back in the audio book, the changes to the core subjects, there would be none. Like the core subjects, I would maybe find more, not more tactful, but I guess maybe ways that to get to the end state that sound a little bit more intelligent.
Yeah.
I don't use big words because I don't understand big words. And the people who've read it, they have said, well, it sounds a lot like you talk. I'm like, okay, that wasn't a structured approach, but this is just who I am. Right. Like you and I have known each other for years.
Like there's no difference between who I am sitting right here, even though we're recording this and in the real world, whatever that means.
You're shorter. You're like five, eight. And everybody thinks you're like my height.
I wear lifts though. It's not a big deal. But yeah. And so that's I communicate in the way like this is just the way I communicate. So I think it kind of came through that way. I am happy with the end product, but I don't think anybody that truly cares about anything they've ever created would probably be satisfied.
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Chapter 4: How has Mike's perspective on faith and control changed?
What would these people's lives look like differently if they had?
Yeah, it's kind of weird for civilians, I think, to see like what they think is the most mended brotherhood in the universe. you know, brothers in arms and special operations. And he said it several times, like we're going to be best friends forever.
And then them have a hiccup in a hard time with even communicating in civilian life, like trans after, you know, post this professional experience and just talking about it and figuring it out and being like, Hey man, let's just talk like men. And I felt like Rob desperately wanted to talk to this and, and,
I feel like they have each other's phone number after walking, working with each other for that long. I didn't say that or ask that, but I have heard him say that a few times. And if he don't, we're in a one degree of separation from Kevin Bacon. Text a guy that you know that is mutual. And like, you know what I mean? This isn't a hard one to solve.
Yeah. It makes me kind of sad just to see that. Because I want them to kind of sort it out as brothers in arms, but also... it's a rift that I think a lot of people would jump on the bandwagon, obviously, because it's good for analytics and in a very toxic way. And I don't like that. And I thought you handled it with very professionally. I thought it was really well.
For people who don't understand that rift in the community, I would ask you to look no closer than your own family or no farther than your own family, because And if your current family circle is amazing, go back a generation or two. Let me tell you what you're going to find. A really weird uncle or grandmother or grandmother as daughter or aunt or whatever all this stuff is.
And you're going to find fractures inside of what should be the closest knit nuclear family. You know what I mean? It's just a community of people. Yeah. You know, most of the time it's great. But even in my own personal family with my dad and his dad and him disowning us and like calling the cops on Christmas, like that shouldn't happen. People would say, well, how can that happen in a family?
It's like his families are complicated, man. Yeah. I see where you're going with that. No, I'm not trying to ring it back to you, even though you are trying to dodge the question, which is, as you just described, I'm not going to let you get away with.
Did I tell you about how beautiful the studio looks, man? It's just, so things are good. There's no pending criminal cases. There is litigation that's civil. Lawsuits are civil. There are custody cases that I'm involved in fighting for the custody of my children. And the whole thing is really ugly because it involves kids. And that's what breaks my heart over it.
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Chapter 5: How has Mike Glover's perspective changed after two years of legal battles?
Man, that is a recipe for just anxiety.
It's the worst. Yeah, letting go of that has been very helpful and a benefit to my family and even my friends. I mean, just letting go of a lot of things that I thought I had control over in my life has been a blessing. And I still struggle with it.
Chapter 6: What lessons has Mike learned about control and letting go?
I mean, I said I prayed before I came over here. A lot of it had to do with the custody battle that I'm in and having to have control over it and trying to invest all this time in navigating the tactics on how to manage this. When a lot of these things are outside of my control and the more I could let go and just give it to God, the better off I'll be.
And it's made my, it's turned around my life in profound ways, but it's not an overnight fix.
Chapter 7: What future plans does Mike have for his business and personal projects?
It's sustainment training. I'm in sustainment, you know, simple, not easy.
Knowing the path and walking the path are two very, very different things.
Yeah. Consistency and commitment to my family every day.
Chapter 8: How does Mike reflect on the impact of adversity on personal relationships?
And I mess up all the time, but against being conscious of that and having at least a self introspect to like check in and go, okay, did we do that right? It's a constant battle that I wage. And meditation, this Ibogaine stuff, all these things have helped me. They're not the fix. The fix is just staying conscious and aware of it. And so, yeah, it's crazy, man. It's a life journey for sure.
When is the custody stuff in a perfect world, when would it wrap up for you? You looking at another few months or-
It depends on their mother. If we mediate and things are amicable, it could wrap up almost instantaneously. Yeah. If it continues to stretch out because, you know, the only winners in this are the lawyers because they're the only ones who are reaping a benefit, a reward.
I used to call them $120 emails. The other side, which is going to send an email to your attorney, charges for that time, which charges for the time to get it to you, for your response to get it back to them, to get it back. It's about $120 round trip.
Yeah. And there's no incentive for them to close it out. Why would you close it out? Let's stretch this thing out as long as possible. So it could take a year.
While they happen to have insight into your bank accounts, because you have to update them with your statements. And then when it gets to the point where you're almost at zero, they start talking about wrapping things up.
Yeah. Discovery is scary because they could look into text messages. They could subpoena people. They could do all this stuff. And it's like every one of those calculations cost a lot of money because they have to review the documentation, do all the stuff. So best case scenario, it's done in a couple of weeks. Worst case scenario, we stretch it out to a year.
I don't want that for my family, for my children. And hopefully we could wrap this thing up.
You'll have this point where you, when you look back, when this is all done and your relationship is the best it's probably ever been and continuing to get better with your kids, you'll think back and you'll realize the amount of money that you spent to get to this point and what you could have done for your kid's future. If two adults.
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