Nature in Crisis: ‘The Rise of Ecofascism: Climate Change and the Far Right’ by Alex Roberts and Sam Moore
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What is the focus of this episode and who are the hosts?
Welcome to the tenth episode in this series of close readings for the LRB, Nature in Crisis, hosted by me, me and Christ, writer in residence in biological sciences at Columbia University.
And me, Peter Godfrey Smith, Professor of History and Philosophy of Science at the University of Sydney.
So when we were first plotting out what books to discuss on this show, we decided that over the course of the series we'd loosely trace an arc from biology to society. And we started to make that turn toward society with Royce Granton's Impasse and with the book we discussed in our last episode, Emily Robateau's Lessons for Survival. This week we're firmly in that territory with The Rise of Ecofascism: Climate Change and the Right by Sam Moore. Moore and Alex Roberts. So Moore and Roberts are researchers and anti-fascist activists. They are the hosts of 12 Rules for What, a podcast about the far right from the perspective of the left. And they're also the authors of Post-Internet Far Right, Fascism in the Age of the Internet.
So I think it's important to say that they're part of an activist community and their publishing record reveals a deep engagement with this community. And because they are writing explicitly from a leftist political position, they're somewhat different from some of the other authors we've discussed previously. one of the organizing principles of this series, in addition to tracing an arc from biology to society, has been to consider books by authors writing about nature at a time of ecological destabilization from a wide variety of disciplines and perspectives. And I think this book certainly fits that bill. So In this discussion, I think we're probably going to get pretty deep into some history around the origins of fascism.
How is the book “The Rise of Ecofascism” structured and what are its five main parts?
But I think it's worth saying that this book is extremely salient at the present moment when we are looking at elections, you know, let's say 2027 onward, in which far-right parties that have specifically and explicitly embraced a certain kind of far-right environmentalism as part of their platforms are really gaining in power and influence across Europe. And I think we'll talk specifically about people like Giorgio Maloney in Italy and Marine Le Pen in France and the way that their political parties have really embraced environmentalism in a way that might be surprising to a lot of folks. Peter, I wonder if you could take us through sort of the shape of the book, how it's structured.
Sure. It it has a pretty natural shape. There's five chapters. The first chapter is a history of ecological thinking and thinking about nature within the far right, uh, looking especially at the 20th century, at the Nazis, uh, the Italian fascists, at I think quite interestingly in this in this discussion, uh the English or the British fascist movement. Then there's a chapter about contemporary right wing and especially far right thinking about nature, especially the more established groups, such as the uh the organized French, Italian, and German far right parties. The third chapter is more about fringe groups, the sort of internet right, uh the remnants of I didn't know this was n now a remnant thing.
But the remnants of the alt-right as as they see that movement. Then there's a chapter about the role of violence and terror. And finally, the fifth chapter is a discussion of possible futures.
How do Moore and Roberts define fascism and eco‑fascism in the book?
They have three, you know, three malign futures that we might think about that in different ways show the possibility. Of a far-right ecological perspective. One of these is a continue, a sort of blinkered denial of the situation, an insistence on the continued burning of fossil fuels. They call that fossilized reaction. There's a more of a high-tech future in which there's a move towards renewable energy, but a lot of great power competition for the resources, especially the minerals required for a transition of that kind. And lastly there's a scenario that is more anarchic and violent, uh which they refer to as the climate collapse cultist scenario.
And I think one of the strengths of this book, I think that you and I both agreed on i in in sort of our emails and discussion of the book before the show was the way that they start with a definition of fascism.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the focus of this episode and who are the hosts?
0:00–1:42
2
How is the book “The Rise of Ecofascism” structured and what are its five main parts?
1:42–3:37
3
How do Moore and Roberts define fascism and eco‑fascism in the book?
3:37–5:27
4
Which contemporary far‑right parties and movements are identified as embracing eco‑fascist ideas?
5:27–7:26
5
Why do some scholars argue that the term ‘fascism’ has become overused, and how do the authors respond?
7:26–9:00
6
What are the three possible future scenarios – Fossilised Reaction, Batteries‑Bombs‑Borders, and Climate‑Collapse Cultists?
9:00–10:51
7
How does the current planetary ecological crisis and shifting demographics create new conditions for eco‑fascism?
10:51–12:59
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What conclusions do the hosts draw about the relevance of eco‑fascism today and how can listeners access the full discussion?
12:59–14:52
Speakers
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