On this episode, Bill is joined by veteran broadcaster and cultural commentator Don Lemon. The two discuss Don’s transition away from CNN and his new foray into streaming, the shifting landscape of media bias and viewer trust, the lure of unfiltered conversation versus traditional “managed” television formats, and the political tightrope walk of modern journalism. They candidly dive into everything from Don’s experiences as a gay Black man in the public eye and meeting his husband, diversity and inclusion in hiring, the mystique of AOC, “defund the police,” and how Democrats might counter the MAGA movement without veering into extremes. They also weigh in on the comforts (and occasional perils) of personal freedom. All this, plus reflections on life in New York vs. Los Angeles, the ups and downs of public perception, and much more. Go to https://www.RadioactiveMedia.com or text RANDOM at 511511 to save up to 50%, today! Get 15% off OneSkin with the code RANDOM at https://www.oneskin.co/ #oneskinpod #ad Follow Club Random on IG: @ClubRandomPodcast Follow Bill on IG: @BillMaher Don’t forget to subscribe to the podcast for free wherever you're listening or by using this link: https://bit.ly/ClubRandom Watch Club Random on YouTube: https://bit.ly/ClubRandomYouTube Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Chapter 1: What is the significance of Don Lemon's transition from CNN?
Do you think this is worse now? Oh, way worse. I think the New York Times, just to take the most prime example, because it is the paper of record, blah, blah, blah, not to me anymore. I mean, it used to be, I feel, the editorial page was opinion, yes. but not the front page, and now every page. That's just a change they made. Now, part of that is because of Trump.
It's very hard to be honest and true and not say he lied, basically. Newspapers never used to say the president lied, even though presidents have always lied. But they just basically just went out and said because you can't not because he took it to such a different degree of lying that you just have to say so. That is true. He did lie. But it does lie about many things. We saw.
I mean, there was lots of crazy stats in the speech he made last night.
The fake State of the Union. It was the joint address to Congress. Luckily, I had a joint when I was watching it. Is it better to watch high? Everything's better high, Don. Don't you get high? Can we get back to the New York Times? I don't disagree with you on some things about the New York Times, but I do believe it's still the paper of record. I used to.
I used to read the New York Times and then the Washington Post. And the Washington Post, I found, was much more straightforward than the New York Times. I thought that the writing in the New York Times was much more interesting and flowery and perhaps that may have sort of influenced people. But then I read it and I said, you know what? After a while.
I said, this is a more left-leaning message than the Washington Post. But the Washington Post now, I don't know what the fuck is going on with them and Jeff Bezos.
Well, they just had a big, yeah, shift. I mean, they went super woke, too, like the New York Times. It's a generational thing, you know, a certain cadre of people.
You think the Washington Post went super woke?
Oh, I got to give you my book that came out last year called
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Chapter 2: How do media bias and viewer trust affect journalism?
But some of it is just a backlash to what they think was going too far, like all these corporations now that have dropped DEI. Now, in the government, they did it because the order— A backlash for what?
For too much DEI. I don't think those people understand what DEI is. DEI is not the hiring of black people who are not qualified. It can be. No, no, no. That's not what it's about.
It can have that result.
Anything can be. Yes, of course it could have that result, but there's no evidence that it does have that result. Oh, I don't know about that. Okay, so then what is your evidence? There's no evidence that there is that result. If you can show me the evidence, then okay, then I will agree with you. Well, I'm not going to name any names.
Chapter 3: What challenges do journalists face in today's political landscape?
Okay, but diversity, equity, inclusion, first of all, is not, maybe they're talking about affirmative action, which is a whole different thing, which is about making sure you hired a certain number of people that are this, that, and that. But diversity, equity, and inclusion is about making sure that the pool of candidates is larger.
So if you are fishing, rather than fishing in a swimming pool, maybe you're in a pond. Rather than fishing in a pond, you're in a lake or maybe in a lake instead of a river or in a river and you're in the ocean. So you're just trying to find different people and you're trying to increase the number of options of qualified people that you can hire.
It's not about hiring people who are not qualified and who are just black. The biggest recipient of DEI is white women. And also veterans because of veterans and also people who are disabled people. It's just about making sure that disabled people have a ramp somewhere at work so that they get to work.
I understand, but equity is the word, not equality. That was a change that people noticed. Equality was everybody gets an equal shot. Equity is like, no, it's basically quotas.
Equity is we're going- It's quotas. I don't think that everybody, America's never been about everybody getting an equal shot.
No, it certainly hasn't been. No one's contesting that. No. But that's what the idea, the old school liberal idea was, we need to strive for equality. That changed to equity. This is what some people are against. And reasonable people can disagree on it without being racist. Having said that, there are, of course, racists in this country.
There always will be, just like there will always be criminals.
I agree, but I think the people who are disagreeing about it, they need to understand exactly what it is. I think people who disagree may not understand what it is. Now, I have an issue with DEI because I think when you make it a religion, then you end up with the Al Franken's of the world of people who get canceled and they use the DEI stuff to get rid of people.
But I think you have to understand what the real definition is and that people have sort of co-opted it. And I think if you believe as in the definition that the MAGA Trump administration that they're saying what DEI is, that is a racist definition of diversity, equity, and inclusion. What is it?
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Chapter 4: How does Don Lemon navigate personal freedom in the media?
The munt.
Yeah. You're such a munt. Or I want to get in that munt tonight. You know, I mean, it could also be sexy. That's what I'm saying. No, that's gross. I don't think that would appeal to any. Wow. You're turning red and you're a black man.
Rust. Rust. It's unbelievable. We have a word for that. The gays have a word for that. Do you want to hear it? I want to know everything about it. It's called bussy.
Bussy, that's better.
Yeah.
What's the B for? Boys? Wait, what am I getting wrong? Pussy, I get that part. B. I don't know. I really don't know. Am I stoned?
How do men have sex? What do they do if they do? Usually. They do it in the naughty place. What is the naughty place called?
The ass? The booty? Or the butt. The butt. Okay. All right. Well, there's lots of words for it. You can't hate me that much. I get it. What are you... Like anthropomologically... What do you make of... Anthropologically.
Thank you, John.
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Chapter 5: What role does diversity and inclusion play in hiring?
Oh, yeah, I do, too. I just don't know. I mean, all I ever read about is how newspapers are dying and, you know, I mean... Again, the Times is doing well because they went with that model that I was describing before. How do our readers want to interpret this story and then write the story that way? That's the difference between the New York Times of today and 20 years ago.
I'm glad you mentioned that, except I forgot about this earlier. But don't you think that's kind of your show? You're the interpreter on the show.
Yeah, but I'm not pretending to be a newspaper. It's an opinion show. It's a debate show. That's not a newspaper. If I was a newspaper, I would just try to keep it as much down the middle as I could. I give my opinion on everything. When the Democrats are, as they were under Obama, I thought, much more sane and not for championing silly things, I was much more always on their side.
Then they became crazy woke about a lot of bullshit. And I wasn't going to hold my tongue like a lot of people did just because it, you know, Oh, it's your team. There's no teams. I'm on team. What's real. Yeah, I'm dealing with that right now. All the time when I'm out, like I was at the Vanity Fair Oscar party the other night.
Oh, my friend invited me. I didn't go. I wasn't. Why? I was in New York. Lee Daniels said, do you want to be my date to the Vanity Fair? I've gone. I just didn't. I was in New York. What? What a dick. Should I have gone? Of course.
Why? Why? Because it's like this town, people think it's such a party town. It's not. This is like the one weekend a year people party. I flew in on Monday night. It was so boring. I'm always amused. Like every year, Somebody's always like, boy, what happened to the Vanity Fair party? What happened to it? Everybody came to it. That's what happened to it. Everybody comes to it.
If you didn't see somebody there, it's because they didn't want to see you. Wait till the magazine comes out in two months and they have pictures. Everybody was there. It's one of the few times here in the petting zoo we call the Hollywood Zoo, you see all the stars in the same room. It's just fascinating. It just feels great. Everybody's, like, fucking dressed to the nines.
You know, all the tension from the show is over. The winners are there, and they are beaming, and the losers, okay, they lost, but that fucking shit is over. Timothee Chalamet, it didn't look like he was suffering. You know, I mean, the chicks are dressed like crazy. They always turn up. If you're a 10, you turn it up to 11 on Oscar night.
Now you're making me feel bad. Yes. And you would have went with Lee Daniels. That's cool. Lee's a friend. He's good.
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Chapter 6: How do comedians perceive political correctness?
She's very smart. Let's get behind that. Another one who's doing that, Gavin Newsom, who I've always been a fan of and thought always could and should be president— And then I recently had a conversation with somebody and I said, gosh, I've always been hoping Gavin would move toward the center. It doesn't seem to be happening. And then as if I had just manifested it, I see this headline.
Somebody sent me a few days ago, Gavin Newsom name checked me in how much he wanted to, how he wanted to move. Cause he's starting a podcast.
Yes. Where he wants to talk to everybody. So I'm like, Thank you, Jesus.
This is the direction we want to go. So if you can get AOC there toward the middle. But, you know, again, for the people that come up to me, Bill, what are we going to do? Well, you can't do much because you lost all the levers of power. What you can do, the thing that you can do is get on your side. To not look crazier than him. That's all you can do. Now go back to your $800 four-plate dinner.
Why are you worrying about how the world is going to end? What did you say? You don't want to look as crazy as he does? That's the only thing liberals can do. Just don't do shit that makes people go, oh, Trump, he's just crazy. But at least he doesn't And then whatever the crazy story of the day is from- So you're making my point.
The other side should, I don't believe that they should not be as crazy. Why not? Crazy in what way? Like the guy who was shaking his cane? You said the only thing that Democrats should be is not be as crazy as Donald Trump, but why not?
Yes, not hold policy positions and beliefs and support silly things that are crazier. Not to give it away, but I guess it'll air before this does. Friday night, my thing that I was just working on is about the Oscars. I saw it started with a... Land acknowledgement, that's the kind of thing that makes people roll their eyes. The land acknowledgement, that's the sad part, wasn't it?
It's like when you're at some place like the Oscars, and before you can even start, you have to acknowledge that this is the land that we are standing on that really belongs to the proud Chumash people. And it's like, as I said, either give it back, Or shut the fuck up. So, like, every day there's some little thing like that that the left does. And it may not be politicians.
I mean, Democratic politicians weren't really for defund the police, but it got out there that that was what the liberal woke thing was. And so it just gets in people's heads. Oh, defund the police. That's not really something that's going to help my life a lot. I mean, I know people who are very liberal who said to me, sort of vulture.
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