S10 Bonus: The "Founders-for-Hire" Evolution: Moving Past the Agencies to Build Early-Stage Products with Custom Venture Studios with Rob Grazioli, Managing Partner of Bread
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We basically almost bankrupt our business. We built a book of business that was a bit flimsy. We had an account that basically was paying the bills for us, but we didn't like working on it and we didn't fight to keep it. As a result, we didn't have enough money to pay our people, which was probably the most foundational learning experience for me as a business owner. And our poor decision-making put that at risk for the people that we hired. That was easily the biggest mistake I've made to date, where you essentially put people's livelihoods at risk. It was terrifying. I'm Rob Grazioli. I'm a founder and managing partner at Breadman.
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Visit speakeasy.com slash codestory and generate your first SDK for free. This message is sponsored by QA Wolf. QA Wolf gets engineering teams to 80% automated end-to-end test coverage and helps them ship five times faster by reducing QA cycles from hours to minutes. With over 100 five-star reviews on G2 and customer testimonials from SalesLoft, Grotta, and Autotrader, you're in good hands. Join the Wolfpack at QAwolf.com. Rob Grazioli started his life in Brooklyn, New York, but moved to Italy for his dad's job and lived there from age 5 to 13. He ended up moving back to the States for high school and college and finds that it's difficult to separate tech and work from his life. Outside of tech, he enjoys exercising and has always been an athlete, most recently picking up basketball.
He really loves to make things, learn how things work, and to munch on Oreos. Eight years ago, Rob and his partner started a company called Density, allowing businesses to count the number of people in a room. After growing that business, Rob realized that he wanted to get back to building things. And after working with early businesses, he found his passion in being founders for hire. This is the creation story of Bread.
Bread's a services business, but it's a little weird. We're a little weird. Over eight years ago, my partners at Bread and I started a company called Density. We built devices that you would put above a doorway or in a room and it would count how many people were in the room. And then we turned that into some kind of analytics and we sold that into Fortune 500 companies so they can make better decisions about their real estate and space. We did that for eight years. We raised over $200 million. We got it to a point where it just felt like we had to decide if we were going to be executives or really grow a team. It was up to 180 people at the time I left. And I just realized I wanted to get back to building things again. That meant stepping away. And for my other partners at various times, that meant the same thing. But what we started to do was really work with other early stage founders and entrepreneurs on their businesses.
And ultimately, that meant helping give shape to their product, helping them even refine like their sales motion or their just general market strategy. Really, whatever it was from design to engineering, just being in the room, we would call ourselves like founders for hire in a sense. And that started to work. We grew our team a little bit. We're at 15 people now.
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