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Conduct Detrimental: THE Sports Law Podcast

Jon Gruden Bombshell Decision w/ Don Van Natta Jr.; Ohtani's $240M Real Estate Dispute, & Trump's NIL Executive Order

15 Aug 2025

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On this episode of Conduct Detrimental: THE Sports Law Podcast, Dan Lust (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@SportsLawLust)⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠is joined by Tarun Sharma (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@tksharmalaw⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠), Mike Kravchenko (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch on YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) and special guest, Don Van Natta Jr. (@DVNJr⁠⁠) to break down major stories including Jon Gruden's massive legal victory, Shohei Ohtani's involvement in a $240M real estate dispute, and Trump's executive order on college sports.Dan and the team first tackle Trump's "Saving College Sports" executive order, explaining what's actually in it versus the headlines. They cover the requirements for athletic departments based on revenue thresholds, the prohibition on third-party pay-for-play, and clarification that student-athletes aren't employees. Mike provides coverage of the shocking $240M real estate lawsuit involving Shohei Ohtani and his agent, centered on a luxury Hawaiian development deal. The case alleges tortious interference and unjust enrichment, with Ohtani potentially liable for his agent's actions despite being removed from direct negotiations. Dan connects this to the previous gambling controversy, suggesting this case could reveal more about Ohtani's actual involvement in business dealings than previously known.The episode also covers Oklahoma quarterback John Mateer's gambling controversy involving Venmo transactions labeled "sports gambling," examining why even jokes about NCAA violations can trigger investigations and the broader implications for student-athlete social media use.The Centerpiece: Don Van Natta Jr. joins for a discussion of the Nevada Supreme Court's 5-2 decision allowing Jon Gruden's case against Roger Goodell and the NFL to proceed in open court rather than arbitration. Don explains how this stems from the Dan Snyder investigation, the 650,000 emails obtained by Beth Wilkinson, and why only Gruden's 11 emails were leaked. The conversation explores the unconscionability ruling that could destroy the NFL's arbitration system, the potential for massive discovery including all those emails, and why Gruden has said he'll "burn the house down" to get the truth. and finally, what to watch for: Tarun previews the long-awaited NCAA decision on Michigan's sign-stealing scandal, while Mike provides Conduct Detrimental updates and recommends WWE Unreal on Netflix. Dan enthusiastically reviews the Chiefsaholic documentary, offering a cautionary tale about lawyers appearing in documentaries.Let us know your thoughts!***Have a topic you want to write about? ANYONE and EVERYONE can publish for ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ConductDetrimental.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Let us know if you want to join the team.As always, this episode is sponsored by Themis Bar Review: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.themisbarsocial.com/conductdetrimental⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Host: Dan Lust (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@SportsLawLust⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠)  Featuring: Tarun Sharma (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@tksharmalaw⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) , Don Van Natta Jr. (⁠@DVNJr⁠⁠⁠)Feat. and Produced by: Mike Kravchenko (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch on YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠)⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TikTok⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Email

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