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Consider This from NPR

How powerful is Stephen Miller?

11 Jan 2026

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Chapter 1: Who is Stephen Miller and what power does he hold?

0.588 - 6.234 Sarah McCammon

Stephen Miller isn't an elected official, but there are few people with more power in America today.

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6.254 - 10.159 Unknown

I want to thank Stephen Miller, who's right back in the audience right there.

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10.539 - 29.752 Sarah McCammon

Here's President Trump speaking to reporters at the White House last October. As the White House deputy chief of staff for policy and one of President Trump's longest-serving aides, Miller's been the driving force behind many of Trump's core policies — He's known for having extreme views, even by the president's own standards.

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30.113 - 38.29 Unknown

I'd love to have him come up and explain his true feelings, but maybe not his truest feelings. That might be going a little bit too far.

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38.54 - 56.35 Sarah McCammon

Miller is the architect of Trump's anti-immigrant crackdown. He's pushed for a narrowing of legal immigration pathways and led the push in ICE recruitment and deployment. And he's been in the spotlight recently as a driving force behind the plan to capture Venezuela's leader, Nicolas Maduro.

56.55 - 62.961 Stephen Miller

The United States is using its military to secure our interests unapologetically in our hemisphere.

62.941 - 74.455 Sarah McCammon

In a much-circulated interview this week with CNN, Miller said we live in a world, quote, governed by strength and force, and also asserted that Greenland should be part of the United States.

74.836 - 81.925 Stephen Miller

We're a superpower, and under President Trump, we are going to conduct ourselves as a superpower.

81.945 - 82.605 Sarah McCammon

Consider this.

Chapter 2: What are Stephen Miller's key policies and initiatives?

83.186 - 116.065 Sarah McCammon

Stephen Miller is largely credited with channeling President Trump's desires and making his vision of America real. What motivates Stephen Miller? From NPR, I'm Sarah McCammon. It's Consider This from NPR. Stephen Miller is a polarizing character, and we know that President Trump trusts him. So how far-reaching is his role in our government?

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116.465 - 123.236 Ashley Parker

Everyone around the president knows that when a directive comes from Stephen Miller, they view it as coming from the president directly.

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123.256 - 136.012 Sarah McCammon

That's Ashley Parker, a staff writer for The Atlantic. Her new article is called The Wrath of Stephen Miller. I spoke to her earlier, and I started by asking her just how powerful Stephen Miller is in the administration.

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136.893 - 156.759 Ashley Parker

He's incredibly powerful. Steve Bannon and other people jokingly call him the prime minister. And I think the public in general, especially from the first term, associates Stephen Miller with Trump's hardline immigration policies. And that's certainly true. He has a big, big hand in immigration.

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157.199 - 180.137 Ashley Parker

But one thing we were trying to capture with this profile is that immigration is not the only thing that Stephen Miller has his hands in, and not just hands, but has a major, major role on everything from immigration to homeland security to law enforcement in our nation's streets to foreign policy. to trade, and even to education.

180.257 - 189.752 Ashley Parker

And a lot of the controversial policies coming out of the administration are either being dreamed up by Stephen Miller or executed by Stephen Miller.

190.693 - 208.845 Sarah McCammon

LESLIE KENDRICK You spoke with several folks within the administration about Miller's style, and you describe him as, quote, the pulsing human id of a president who is already almost pure id. LESLIE KENDRICK What does that mean, Ashley, and how does that style shape the way that the administration is functioning?

209.18 - 236.689 Ashley Parker

So Stephen Miller, one thing he's very clear about is that he views his job as taking what President Trump wants to do and executing it ruthlessly and urgently. And what's interesting is there are areas where Stephen, and Trump has joked about this in public, is far more extreme than even President Trump. And so Stephen behind the scenes will very vigorously argue his case against

236.669 - 259.209 Ashley Parker

make his points, make his pitch. But once Trump has decided something, he's not like some of the people, especially in the first term, right, who would tell Trump all the reasons he can't do it or why it's the wrong thing or try to quietly undermine him. Once Donald Trump has decided what he wants to do, Stephen is going to go out there and do it.

Chapter 3: How does Stephen Miller influence U.S. foreign policy?

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where he stands. That said, in some instances, he is more hardline, especially on immigration, than President Trump is. And in those instances, again, he very intensely and very forcefully makes his case in private. And so I do think there is some shaping of the president there, just because we know President Trump is

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326.444 - 345.938 Ashley Parker

often persuaded by the last person he talked to or by people he talks to frequently. But again, at the end of the day, there have been some disagreements between the two of them. And when there are those disagreements, Stephen Miller does go out and do what the president wants, regardless of his personal views. But there's not that much daylight between them.

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346.441 - 353.508 Sarah McCammon

A decade ago, Stephen Miller was a speechwriter for Trump. What led to his ascendance between the two Trump administrations?

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354.769 - 381.037 Ashley Parker

I mean, he was still incredibly powerful in the first Trump term. The difference was the same guardrails that kind of constrained President Trump in that first term also constrained Stephen Miller. There were people at the Department of Homeland Security who, when he did something that they felt was too extreme or was morally reprehensible, would not follow through on his directive.

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381.298 - 400.706 Ashley Parker

And they knew that at the time when John Kelly was leading that agency, he would protect them. All of those guardrails and all of those people are gone now. And the second thing is, much like this more emboldened, unfettered, unchained President Trump we're seeing now, Stephen Miller underwent the same process.

401.226 - 417.994 Ashley Parker

And so he basically spent his four years out of power working quietly and privately to ensure that if he and Trump came back to office, he would have all the levers and tools of the federal bureaucracy at his disposal.

418.548 - 427.63 Sarah McCammon

Before I let you go, Ashley, what is it that you want people to understand about Stephen Miller and about his role in the Trump administration at this moment?

428.116 - 447.474 Ashley Parker

I think it's important to understand a couple of things, how close to the president he is, just how broad his purview is and how he has his hand in policies that people might not expect, like the Trump administration's war against higher education and against Harvard, right?

447.514 - 457.363 Ashley Parker

People, again, they think of immigration, they maybe think of foreign policy, but they don't necessarily think of all the other areas where Stephen Miller is playing a role.

Chapter 4: What role does Stephen Miller play in shaping Trump's administration?

511.192 - 514.738 Sarah McCammon

It's Consider This from NPR. I'm Sarah McCammon.

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