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Was there an imminent threat from Iran? Senator calls for Trump to explain war goals

02 Mar 2026

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Chapter 1: What recent events have escalated tensions between the U.S. and Iran?

0.25 - 26.055 Emily Kwong

Two days of U.S. and Israeli airstrikes have caused remarkable damage in Iran. In this video published by U.S. Central Command, mobile batteries launch missiles. The attacks have killed hundreds inside the country, according to Iranian state media, including Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the supreme leader of Iran and other high-ranking officials.

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26.204 - 36.403 President Trump

I once again urge the Revolutionary Guard, the Iranian military, police to lay down your arms and receive full immunity or face certain death.

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36.844 - 54.309 Emily Kwong

That is President Trump speaking on Sunday. Now, before this all began, the U.S. was engaged in talks with Iran over their nuclear program and had planned for more. Then the strikes came. Now, the U.S. government says that attacks such as this one from a U.S.

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54.349 - 62.151 Emily Kwong

Navy warship destroyed Iranian naval vessels, command centers and ballistic missile facilities in strikes across the Middle Eastern country.

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62.198 - 75.054 Ismail Bagayi

We have no problem with the American people. And we believe that this is not their war. This is the U.S. administration's war of choice. We were talking with Americans. We were in the middle of the negotiations.

75.394 - 78.638 Emily Kwong

Iranian foreign ministry spokesperson Ismail Bagayi on Sunday.

Chapter 2: What are the implications of President Trump's statements on the conflict?

78.898 - 86.147 Ismail Bagayi

This is an unjust war imposed on our nation. And we have no other choice other than fighting against this injustice.

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86.397 - 102.053 Emily Kwong

Iranian retaliatory strikes targeted U.S. military installations in the region, in Israel, and in neighboring countries like the United Arab Emirates, Jordan, and Kuwait. Three U.S. Army soldiers were killed and five more wounded in Kuwait on Sunday.

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102.433 - 114.666 President Trump

We pray for the full recovery of the wounded and send our immense love and eternal gratitude to the families of the fallen. And sadly, there will likely be more.

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114.983 - 144.079 Emily Kwong

Consider this. The conflict in the Middle East has now taken lives on both sides, and it does not appear to have an ending in sight. The United States and Israel are at war with Iran, and it's a war that Congress never voted on. From NPR, I'm Emily Kwong.

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Chapter 3: How does Senator Warner describe the concerns of military families?

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196.529 - 215.921 Emily Kwong

It's Consider This from NPR. In Washington, reactions to the strikes on Iran are deeply divided. The opinions do not split cleanly on partisan lines, though most of those supporting the strikes are Republicans and most of those against are Democrats. Virginia Senator Mark Warner is a Democrat and ranking member of the Senate Intelligence Committee.

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216.181 - 226.89 Emily Kwong

He posted online after the attacks began that he had, quote, seen no indication there was any immediate threat to Americans from Iran. Senator Warner, thank you so much for your time.

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227.591 - 228.992 Senator Mark Warner

Thank you, Emily.

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229.012 - 234.678 Emily Kwong

I want to start by playing a new video statement. that the president published today.

235.038 - 254.123 President Trump

We're undertaking this massive operation not merely to ensure security for our own time and place, but for our children and their children, just as our ancestors have done for us many, many years ago. This is the duty and the burden of a free people.

254.664 - 259.69 Emily Kwong

So the president speaks of this war as duty and burden. What is your reaction to that, Senator?

260.024 - 281.442 Senator Mark Warner

Well, first of all, Emily, I am down in Hampton Roads, part of Virginia, where most of the sailors who are in the conflict area are from. Literally, I had four events today. Half the crowd in every one of these events knew people who were deployed. And

Chapter 4: What are the reasons for the U.S. military's actions against Iran?

281.675 - 308.256 Senator Mark Warner

They have no idea why their sons and daughters are being put in harm's way. You know, the president a week ago said this was about Iran's nuclear activities, which he had claimed had been obliterated seven months ago. He then switched to saying this is about Iran's ballistic missile capacity. And now, in the last 36 hours, he says it's about regime change. You know, why are...

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309.248 - 331.645 Senator Mark Warner

These sons and daughters now casualty some of them in harm's way. What is the essential criteria for America being in this war? I can tell you as somebody who was part of the Gang of Eight, there is and was no imminent immediate threat from Iran against America.

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331.625 - 341.4 Senator Mark Warner

So why take this action now is the question I'm getting from the parents and friends of sailors deployed, and I don't have any answer for them.

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341.42 - 349.853 Emily Kwong

President Trump said in this statement, quote, sadly, there will likely be more referring to U.S. casualties. What do you make of that?

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350.574 - 369.008 Senator Mark Warner

Well, I make of it the fact that this is a war of choice chosen by Donald Trump in the Middle East where our record has not been great. Again, there was no intelligence that showed an immediate imminent threat. That should be normally the criteria.

369.189 - 395.344 Senator Mark Warner

As a matter of fact, if the president had chosen to take action back in January when the Iranian people were on the streets in record numbers, he would have more of a case, but he couldn't do it then. Because the aircraft carrier that was needed was off the coast of Venezuela, and our allies that would be normally supportive were concerned rightfully about Trump's plans on Greenland.

395.384 - 406.534 Senator Mark Warner

The moment is – it's incredibly fraught. The moment is fraught, but like remember the president has also – recently said to call for the Iranian people to rise up.

Chapter 5: What is the current stance of Congress regarding the war powers resolution?

406.934 - 418.614 Emily Kwong

Yes. What do you... If the Iranian people rise up right now and the Iranian regime brutally murders them... If they were to rise up, if the Iranian people were to rise up, would that change your assessment of the situation?

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418.814 - 447.285 Senator Mark Warner

Well, listen, I am glad and shed no tears about the Iranian leadership... I mean, this is an awful, awful regime. But if the president is now saying to the Iranian people, rise up, does the American – do we then have an obligation if the Iranian military brutally murders them after our president called for them – to rise up, what obligation do we have?

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447.305 - 469.271 Senator Mark Warner

In many ways, this timetable of this strike now was because he made similar comments in January and was not able to execute because of his other military forays. So I think it's incumbent upon the president to make the case to the American people, to make the case to Congress, to seek a level of declaration of war.

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469.311 - 482.299 Senator Mark Warner

This is not something where the president had to respond to, again, the notion of an imminent threat. This is the president having a war of his choice And he needs to get the assent of Congress and the American people.

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482.319 - 500.749 Emily Kwong

Let's talk about the options that Congress has. Your fellow Virginia Senator Tim Kaine is one of those pushing a war powers resolution. The Constitution gives the Congress power to declare war, which it hasn't given for any of Trump's use of force. Those efforts have not yet passed and not all Democrats are publicly on board. Are there any indications this time could be different?

502.332 - 523.395 Senator Mark Warner

Listen, I would support Tim Kaine's effort. I think it is important that we should not cede all power to this president to arbitrarily make decisions about where we deploy forces. Again, I just wish the media, I wish the president's supporters would listen to the families of

Chapter 6: How does Senator Warner address the concept of imminent threat from Iran?

523.375 - 525.839 Senator Mark Warner

Of the sailors and soldiers deployed.

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525.919 - 530.407 Emily Kwong

Who you met today in Hampton Roads. Who I met today. Who are very concerned.

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530.427 - 556.413 Senator Mark Warner

And are saying, you know, when is my son or daughter coming back? Many of these sailors have been deployed now for well beyond the normal six months. What is the plan? And are we about to engage ourselves in a... in an endless war that may not only cost American lives, but American treasure when we have many of our munitions are actually at a relatively low level at this point.

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556.453 - 566.072 Emily Kwong

Senator Warner, with the 30 seconds we have left, as a member of the Gang of Eight, who's a bipartisan group that's privileged to information, based on the intelligence you have, how does this now play out?

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566.626 - 584 Senator Mark Warner

I wish I knew. I do know this. There was no imminent threat to America. So if the president chose to go to war, he owes the American people and the Congress what his goals are. And those goals have, there's at least three different goals he's laid out literally in the last five days.

584.441 - 587.086 Emily Kwong

Senator Mark Warner of Virginia, thank you so much.

587.547 - 587.908 Senator Mark Warner

Thank you.

590.521 - 598.953 Emily Kwong

This episode was produced by Henry Larson. It was edited by Patrick Jaron-Watananen and Sarah Robbins. Our executive producer is Sammy Yannigan.

Chapter 7: What obligations does the U.S. have if the Iranian people respond to calls for uprising?

609.829 - 612.192 Emily Kwong

It's Consider This from NPR. I'm Emily Kwong.

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