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Consider This from NPR

Why Israeli assassinations aren't working the way they hope

22 Mar 2026

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Chapter 1: What promise did President Trump make to the Iranian people?

0.031 - 4.455 Adrian Ma

More than three weeks ago, President Donald Trump made a promise to the Iranian people.

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4.876 - 22.793 Donald Trump

Finally, to the great proud people of Iran, I say tonight that the hour of your freedom is at hand. Stay sheltered. Don't leave your home. It's very dangerous outside. Bombs will be dropping everywhere. When we are finished, take over your government. It will be yours to take.

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23.174 - 40.953 Adrian Ma

That was on February 28th, the day the U.S. and Israel launched their war with Iran. They killed Iran's supreme leader, Ali Khamenei, alongside other top military and political leaders. The targeted strikes, led primarily by Israel, were meant to cripple Iran's governmental, military, and nuclear research arms.

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41.494 - 62.942 Adrian Ma

And Trump said he wanted the killings to serve as an opening for the Iranian people to rise up against their government. So far, they haven't. But Israel and the U.S. have kept up the targeted assassinations. Iranian leaders killed in recent days include Ali Larrajani. He was a longtime Iranian official, most recently head of their National Security Council.

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Even President Trump said that has hurt his administration's efforts to communicate with the Iranian government.

68.908 - 77.056 Donald Trump

We're having a hard time. We want to talk to them, and there's nobody to talk to. We have nobody to talk to. And you know what? We like it that way.

77.636 - 94.172 Adrian Ma

These targeted attacks have a name in the intelligence community — decapitation strikes. Jenna Jordan is a professor at the Georgia Institute of Technology, and she actually wrote a book on decapitation strikes. She says they're not helping Israel or the U.S. accomplish their war goals.

94.853 - 110.633 Yossi Melman

Continuing to target the leadership is not going to topple the regime. It might cause delays. It might cause disruption. But what I think it does is that it's emboldening the leaders that are stepping into their positions.

Chapter 2: What is the significance of the targeted strikes by Israel and the U.S.?

110.866 - 139.945 Adrian Ma

Consider this. As the war with Iran enters its fourth week, the Trump administration and Israeli government have boasted about their ability to find and assassinate top leaders in the Iranian government. But that strategy may end up hurting any effort to actually end the war. From NPR, I'm Adrian Ma.

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143.232 - 160.632 Ira Glass

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173.047 - 173.087 Yossi Melman

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174.907 - 197.775 Adrian Ma

It's Consider This from NPR. Yossi Melman is a journalist in Tel Aviv who covers intelligence and strategic affairs. We spoke with him hours after Iranian missiles hit two cities in the southern part of Israel, where Israel's nuclear research center is. We wanted to know more about those attacks and how the Israeli government's decapitation strategy is changing the war with Iran.

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Let me start with getting your reaction to Iran's overnight strikes in southern Israel. They struck near a research center, which is widely believed to be connected to Israel's nuclear program. You're based in Israel. What is the feeling there right now?

211.029 - 237.432 Yossi Melman

Well, actually, there was no surprise because all of Israel is basically covered and a target for Iranian ballistic missiles. And one shouldn't forget also for Hezbollah from Lebanon's missiles. They are striking all parts of Israel, including my town. This morning there were fragments which hit not far from where I live.

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So if not surprised, what do those strikes tell you about the status of the war?

243.519 - 274.472 Yossi Melman

That it is becoming a war of attrition with no sign of ending it. A lot of Israelis are fatigued. Most Israelis are waking up every night for the last 23 days, three, four, five times a night and running to the shelters. Some of Israelis have shelters in their own houses, but many of the population, nearly 30%, have no shelter at all.

Chapter 3: How do decapitation strikes impact the Iranian leadership?

385.375 - 398.74 Yossi Melman

Moderate forces in the regime will take over. This war began as a big gamble, and the chiefs are now not in the favor of Israel and the United States.

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398.804 - 405.155 Adrian Ma

So Israel has been relying on the strategy for a long time. What do we know about how they get done?

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405.556 - 438.484 Yossi Melman

When it comes to Iran, it's a work of many, many years back. The Mossad, Israeli foreign intelligence agency, and the military intelligence have been penetrating Iran, bugging telephones, shadowing people, recruiting agents, smuggling weapons inside the countries, building safe houses, that when the order is given, everything will be in place and it will be possible to execute the decision.

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439.065 - 471.555 Yossi Melman

Iran is a country of mosaic. a lot of ethnical minorities, and many of them don't like the regime and are ready to cooperate with Israel. Some of them do it of ideology, others for financial rewards, others because they hate the regime. Israel has sufficient infrastructure to come and to strike time and again, time again, against top leaders, nuclear scientists, and political leaders.

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471.535 - 492.565 Adrian Ma

To zoom out for a second, last June, amid the 12-day war between Israel and Iran, you spoke to a top official from Israel's spy agency, and he told you, quote, a war is measured by how it ends, not by how successful the first strike is. What do you make of that now as the war enters week four?

492.545 - 524.901 Yossi Melman

Well, that saying still holds. We don't see how it ends. Just nine months ago, Israel and the United States, mostly Israel, with the help of the United States, attacked Iran. Then President Trump prided himself that he obliterated Iranian nucleosides. And Netanyahu, our prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, said that he ensured the existence of Israel for generations.

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And here we are, nine months after, we are doing more of the same, more of the same, with no tangible results. And maybe we are going into a perpetual war.

538.512 - 548.266 Adrian Ma

We've been speaking with Yossi Melman, a journalist who covers Israel intelligence and strategic affairs. He's also co-author of the book Spies Against Armageddon. Thank you so much for taking the time.

548.547 - 550.67 Yossi Melman

Thank you, Adrian.

Chapter 4: What is the current state of the war between Israel and Iran?

596.543 - 599.468 Ira Glass

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