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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Dan Rankin is a Naranjeri man and a hip-hop artist who performs under the name of Trials. Dan's from Adelaide originally, but his early years were spent in the rolling green hills of Wales, of all places, with his mum. When Dan returned to Adelaide, he fell in with the city's raucous and dynamic hip-hop scene.
And the car crash that might have killed him instead enabled him to buy a set of turntables and a microphone. And Dan started a group called Funk Oz, a group that is still loved and revered today.
It's all good.
Then Dan met Briggs, another Indigenous rapper, and the two men decided to go absolutely all out to make an album that would say everything they wanted to say. And Dan figured that this would be their only record. They would burn the house of their career down and end everything for them in the music industry, but that's not what happened.
You can call it what you want But it just don't mean a thing No, it just don't mean a thing
Their album, Reclaim Australia, was a massive award-winning hit. Dan, aka Trials, has become one of the country's most outstanding hip-hop producers and writers and rappers. He's collaborated with Hilltop Hoods, Archie Roach, Paul Kelly and Thelma Plum. Now he's just released his debut solo album called Hendel, which is something like an origin story. Hello, Dan. Welcome to you, sir.
Thank you so much for that introduction. That made me feel like a fever dream in real time was happening, hearing about somebody else's life. Oh, this is me, right? That kind of feel. Oh, yeah. He sounds interesting. So some of your earliest memories are from Wales in the UK. What kind of pictures do you have in your head of Wales?
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Chapter 2: What was Dan Rankine's childhood like in Wales?
I don't know if I've really ever felt that. To compare it to, I'm not sure. How were your Welsh grandparents with you when you were little? They were amazing. I can't fault how much effort they put in with me to make me feel like I wasn't othered as much as the other kids or family members may have made me feel at that time.
I'm pretty sure that it would have been difficult for them, knowing that they were from a certain generation from a certain time and... I was not like anybody else in that town. So there would have been a certain explanation that probably had to come with introducing me. And I'm hyper aware that they would have made a lot of allowances for me to be comfortable.
So I appreciate everything they did and tried to do for me, for sure. No, not too many Indigenous Australian kids in that part of Wales. Not a whole lot. There's not many people that make it over there. So landing in a place that was supposed to be home... surrounded by kids that didn't look like me, didn't sound like me, was discombobulating, I guess.
I didn't know where I fit in at all, at home or at school or in a game of rugby, where I was constantly being targeted immediately, easily standing out amongst all those kids. I didn't quite ever have a space there at all. Any time you would have been introduced to anyone would have been accompanied with an explanation too, wouldn't it? Was that the thing?
I just felt like that was always happening before I'd even walk in the room too. And then when I walk in the room, it'd be a big record skip moment always.
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Chapter 3: What led Dan and his mother to return to Adelaide?
The whole thing would screech and, well, you're wondering how I got here. You know, big zoom in, close-up moment of me panned down on the camera. It was flight or fight. to every situation I was in, even just going to the delicatessen, you know, like they knew that I wasn't from there. It was an interesting, combative environment to be my home. How about school?
Chapter 4: How did a car crash change Dan's life?
Were you on your own at school or were you able to forge friendships with other outsiders there? I had...
friends who I thought were my friends until I started recounting these stories to my wife about my favorite memories you know and a lot of them would end in situations that these guys would set me up in or being beaten up quite a lot I suffered a lot of violence at the hands of my school friends most of my memories are running through those big green hills from those kids and having Cal
stuff put in my hair like my head my face it was one of my formative memories to understand that hatred is just a it is a thing that you're completely taught like you don't inherently feel the need to do that to somebody nobody does you've said that a lot of your memories from that time are of being on the ground looking up at people above you what people beating you up yep i remember just getting it done to me thinking like man i wonder what happened to them
You thought that at the time? Yeah. All that happening to me was almost like existentially happening to somebody else, you know, a very out-of-body experience. But I was very present when I saw my nana's reaction to me having all of this over my face, whether it was the blood or the stuff they rubbed into me. That's when I realized, oh, something really bad's happened.
Even then you were wondering, if they're doing this to me, what's happening to this kid is doing to me at home? 100%. Always, yeah. Because I know that that's – it's learnt. It's learnt behaviour. Like it just is. No one is inherently born with hate towards anyone. Like I just – I'm sure of it. So your mum told you you were born in Adelaide, Australia. You're Indigenous to Australia. Yeah.
All those things. Tell me about your parents and how they met, what you know. Yeah. What I do know is very fractured as it is, but I know for a fact that they met when they were very young, which is a thing that I had to keep in mind a lot when I was trying to process my relationship with them is what was I doing when I was 16 and 17 years old? Oh, my God.
I couldn't hold a job, let alone a conversation. I couldn't be anything that they were forced to be. They were out of their element very quickly. My dad was quite a promising boxer at one point. He would have had a pretty solid career as a boxer if he had stuck with it. Incredible artist, made quite a living as a tattooist, self-funded in many of his prison stints.
My mom worked in many different industries along the way, wherever she could to support tattooing. me. She definitely tried her best and maintaining culture was a big thing for me. When they split up, she was very hyper aware that that's something I should have in my life.
And as a white woman from Wales, that's a lot to have traditional law put in your plate that you have to dish out to your son to keep him hyper aware of what's going on. So I know that those two had a Rough start, and I think it just got rougher from there.
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Chapter 5: What is the significance of the album 'Reclaim Australia'?
I remember that, and I remember going to a train station, and I remember the train coming, and then I remember waking up in Wales a few years later. And we left because... of a very, very violent situation that my mum had determined was going to get worse and was not good for me. I think she moved and got us out of that for me. If he was a boxer, she must have been in fear of her life.
It's one of the things I say on the album is it ain't a scrap when a boxer's your dad trying to make up for all the losses he had. What is the line that you draw there when you're aware of men feeling like it's okay to put hands on women? I mean, it's such a giant thing, especially in Australia, right? Why do we not talk about it? We talk about everything else, everything.
The things that shouldn't be on the front page get hot property, big real estate. Why do we not talk about this systemic issue that's been around for so, so long now, even for the benefit of the fellas to understand that this might be happening and your mate may or may not be responsible for it, or they may or may not have been in a household where this happened.
It's been a big driving thing for me to explain that Men are around this, even if they're not perpetrators, you know, they're around it and we're aware of it and we should be vocally calling that out.
Chapter 6: How did Dan Rankine's upbringing influence his music career?
And it's my responsibility to do that as a person who.
saw it and is is the product of it you know even though you're on the other side of the world could you see a kind of anxiety and fear that remained in your mother fear of of of your father of course yeah so when we left it was a case of not talking to any of that side of my family because we couldn't tell them where we were because he was a pretty resourceful guy and in doing so that cut you off from the culture too exactly so you missed out on all the good stuff
Yeah. Yeah. And she, again, she was hyper aware of that. She knew what that was going to be. And she only had as much as she had to give me, you know, which was like 12 cassettes of dreaming stories that we would listen to over and over and stuff. And there was only so much you can give, you know, and, and she definitely gave it. That's for sure.
So over time that your mum eventually brought you both back to Australia. Yeah. Tell me about the very odd story. That's the catalyst for, for all that. Well, it was a big old day at my house. It was my birthday that week. And how old were you at this time? I can say about six or seven-ish.
And my mom went overboard with gifts, you know, and I knew that she'd done something really cool for the birthday. And you know, that's that real unmistakable, that smug look that your parents get when they know they got you a banger. Like, I can't wait till the end of this, you know.
I remember opening it up and it was a wrestling ring with a bunch of these wrestling figures that you'd stick your thumbs in and have these little wars. I remember them. They were amazing. And it was like, it was my dream. Like the ring and Junkyard Dog, which looked like my uncles. And I had Macho Man and all these characters. And I was on such a high that day. So I'm upstairs playing.
And I remember hearing some people yelling downstairs. And I was like, what? Oh, I wonder what that's about. And I honestly thought for a second that my dad had found us. And I was like, oh, no. Man, this is wild. What a day. And a police officer walked up the stairs and he started taking my wrestling figures and I was like, this is not fair.
And then he just packed them all up and took them away and said nothing to me. I was like, that's a strange thing. And I realised very late in the day that those expensive gifts had come via cheap means and I mean it when I say she did her best. She tried her best to do everything to make me feel loved.
And a few days after that, I woke up in the middle of the night to a man in the corner of the room, the size of the room, in full traditional garb, just looking at me with the biggest, most boomiest voice ever telling me that I had made a big mistake and it was time to go home and you need to get back there now as you are very important to your family.
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Chapter 7: What challenges did Dan face growing up as an Indigenous person?
So I suppose you're conscious of that and you're conscious that you're missing out on something but you can't get across that threshold. So is this why when you said you feel kind of like nowhere is home in a way? Very much. It's always been strange to me to be put in these situations where I'm supposed to be familiar with it already or it's just like family. This is your cousin.
You're supposed to have this innate connection to them or something like that. When you're meeting people for the first time halfway across the world and being thrown into these speed dating family situations, you guys are linked forever now. What if they don't like me? What if I don't like them? Are you sure? Yeah. It was strange.
And I know that the people that were in my life and around me, I think all of them honestly, earnestly tried. I really do. I really, really do. I don't have ill will towards any of them. Even my dad. I just, I can't anymore because seeing my parents as people and understanding that they're humans and they're fallible and...
We're all just the product of whatever we've been dealt in how we deal with it is something that I had to understand is I'm the product of this and how do I deal with that now that I have my own two little products at home? I went to your album launch and it wasn't just you playing the music. It was music you'd written and produced. You were performing it.
there was your artwork on screens all over the place. There's a lot of stuff coming roaring out of you. So were you that kid always drawing or that kid who's always trying to fiddle and make things, make things, make things, live inside your head and make your own little empire of creativity?
Before I got the wrestling ring, like my main toy was just a pile of junk at the back that I would try and make this short circuit robot out of, you know what I mean? Just praying that if I got the combination right, I'd have a mate.
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I know if I didn't find music or music find me, I would have been a cartoonist of some sort for sure. Just whatever could get this across. Had you grown up with a lot of music in the house? Not so much, nah. Like, I don't remember it too much. Like, I only remember a handful of songs. Like, it's just staples. Like, Four Non-Blondes, my mum would play over and over again. And what about hip-hop?
I'm hearing a bit of Public Enemy in your early stuff. Are you listening to a lot of that when you're young? Is that what it is? The first time I heard that, I heard Public Enemy and N.W.A. as a child, and I was terrified, and I loved it.
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