Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed human. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Savannah Guthrie's mother, Nancy Guthrie, missing new video surfaces of cars flying past in Nancy's neighborhood in the critical hours between 12 a.m. and 6 a.m., significantly one vehicle speeding by just eight minutes after Nancy's.
pacemaker disconnects from Bluetooth flying like a bat out of H E double L fly and online sleuths identify a star, a small star, black or blue in color on the porch guys jacket Is it real? And if so, can it be used to track down the kidnapper? And in another development, AI, artificial intelligence, was it used to write two of the ransom notes? And if so, there's a way to track it.
I'm Nancy Grace.
Chapter 2: What new developments have surfaced in the search for Nancy Guthrie?
This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us. Dave Mack, what is the latest in the search?
Savannah Guthrie took to Instagram and posted a clip from the Today Show in a segment about her mom and writes, please be the one that brings her home. And she also added, you know, tips can be anonymous and the reward can be paid in cash. I don't think that's been said before, but we all know that tips can be anonymous if you want. But The reward can be paid in cash.
She coupled that with releasing a shortened version of what should the family release the other day. But Savannah Guthrie reminding everyone that tips are anonymous and the reward can be paid in cash.
new video surfaces of cars flying past in Nancy's neighborhood. That video found on a neighbor's cam, the door cam, the surveillance video at the edge of their yard, also catching 12 vehicles flying by at the time Nancy Guthrie is kidnapped. Dave Mack, what are we seeing?
Well, you're actually seeing ring camera footage of a car about 2.36 in the morning. And Nancy, this is a home located about two and a half miles from Nancy Guthrie's home. It's a back road that leads out of her neighborhood and it doesn't see a lot of traffic, not on a regular basis. Between midnight and 6 a.m., February 1st, about 12 cars went down that road in front of this camera.
But right there, 2.38 a.m., a car goes flying by that camera, Nancy. That would be enough time from the time, or 2.36 a.m., I apologize. Eight minutes after Nancy Guthrie's pacemaker connected via Bluetooth to her Apple Watch, That car goes flying by that ring doorbell camera and you can see it. It's heading away. So that's what we're looking at.
And that is really important that it's just outside of that two mile radius that law enforcement put up as the search area. This is two and a half miles. But there it goes, right there, away from the neighborhood.
Straight out to Brian Fitzgibbons joining us, Director of Operations, USPA Nationwide Security. He leads a team of investigators, seasoned investigators, that find missing people all around the world. Former Marine Iraqi War vet, one expertise, extracting people from Mexico. Brian, thank you for being with us. What do you make of the video?
Yeah, this is a really good development here in this case. And what you see is as this search is expanding beyond the crime scene, this is two and a half miles away from Mrs. Guthrie's house. This is just a sampling of the leads that the FBI in Pima County have developed. And I wanna mention that they are currently analyzing over 10,000 hours of surveillance video.
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Chapter 3: How was AI potentially involved in the ransom notes?
That said, it can be subtle or very obvious. It can be a tilt up in the front lights. It can be a change in the number of taillights. It can be any number of things, a subtle slope in the front windshield. But the point is, isn't it true, Fitzgibbons, major metropolitan areas, New York, Chicago, LA, Atlanta, they've got, of course, homicide. They've got robbery. They've got crimes on children.
They've got sex crimes. They've got white collar crimes. They have an entire fleet of people, investigators, that deal with nothing but car theft and recovery. often busting wide open car theft rings that make millions and millions of dollars a year. Those guys and ladies can look at a car at a distance and tell you, oh yeah, that's a Kia Soul, that's a 2024, and this is how I know it.
How do they do it, Fitzgibbons?
Oh, absolutely. And that's from thousands of hours of surveillance on the job. They're finely tuned to identify, make, model, and year. And what I will say is, you know, while this video is not necessarily the highest resolution that you would want, a lot of those key identifiers are there. The shape of the windows, the locations of the tail lights.
They can get a relative height and size of the tires. size of the vehicle in general. So a lot can be deduced from this and I think that their assumptions would be pretty accurate here.
Guys, let's take another look at the video. How do they do it? How do they enhance it? It's amazing to me, but it's been done over and over and over. You think you can't see a tag? They may find a way to find that tag, although typically in an operation like this, Shipley, I doubt the person has their true tag, if any tag on the back of the car or the front, Shipley.
Keep in mind that any part of that identification can be important. the color, the make and model, like we said, they're gonna be able to go to the DMV locally and identify who has that. If it's a thousand cars, if there's one distinctive feature that can limit the information that they've got to research, then that'll knock that down and they can go after those people.
But even if it's a thousand cars, they've gotta try to figure out where those people are in this case because of what's happened and identify who was there and whether they potentially were in that city or not.
And don't think you've gotten away with anything if this is you in this vehicle, because Brian Fitzgibbons, you and I have covered together and investigated many others separately of cases that were cracked by the vehicle. And here are just a few. Okay, of course, the poster boy for so many evil and nefarious things, Brian Koberger. That whole case started, the
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Chapter 4: What insights do investigators have from the surveillance video?
It may be an identifiable scratch along the side of the vehicle. It could be anything, Fitzgibbons. Help me out here.
absolutely time and again the vehicle is the linchpin to cracking a case wide open um we you know you just listed off a litany of those such cases and i think what we're seeing here with all of this video this new video that's been collected uh as of yesterday and now there will be thousands of hours of more video in with this new reward uh up to over one million dollars uh you
this vehicle could crack the case open. Todd Shipley, if a civilian can identify this as being a Kia Soul, what can the feds do? A lot more. We have seen them enhance video like nobody's business. I mean, it's possible. And everybody, tonight, there are reports this is connected to Guthrie. There are reports it's not connected to Guthrie. All citing... FBI sources. We don't know the answer.
But Todd Shipley, in reality, not guessing whether this is going to be connected or not, I don't quite understand the process of how they can lighten the picture, how they can zoom in. How do they do it? And have you ever been part of catching a perp through the car?
Well, you know, the fact that the FBI has got digital forensic experts and video experts that can do this, it's something that, you know, is well known. They've been parsing through this. I don't know that they've got the speed to be able to do the things that people do online when they do a, you know, community-driven review of these things once they release the video.
people are looking at this, trying to identify things and matching things at a speed that we've never seen before in law enforcement because this whole community driven approach to identifying information in these videos and photos has changed how law enforcement has to look at this.
And sometimes they're on their heels trying to catch up with what the community's doing, these communities identifying stuff, sometimes correctly, sometimes incorrectly, and then they've got to spend time trying to figure out whether what the public is saying is correct or not, that can take away from what they're doing.
So sometimes it's hard to do that, but they've got the skills to be able to get the information and identify what's there.
And tonight to Dave Mack, Crime Stories investigative reporter. According to sleuths, a star. is visible on the porch guy, the perpetrator's jacket, near his, there you go, thank you, near the backpack strap. What do we know, Dave Mack?
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