How many dead people are on the internet?

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Carl Öhman 0:00
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Burt Sharsteen 0:54
Mm-hmm.
Unknown 1:00
Yeah. Oh interesting.
Anand Jagatia 1:06
Sometimes the most fascinating questions come from the simplest conversations. Ah, very
Devin 1:13
astute. How did you come up with that idea?
Anand Jagatia 1:18
You're listening to CrowdScience from the BBC World Service. I'm Annan Jagattia, and this is the show which takes your questions to experts around the world to find answers.
Unknown 1:28
Oh, that's very clever.
Anand Jagatia 1:30
And this might be one of our tiniest listeners yet. This is Emmanuel, or Manu for short, and his dad, Devin, in Vancouver in Canada.
Devin 1:40
He's three months old as of yesterday. He's just chattering all day. All he wants to do is make eye contact and have a nonsense conversation with you.
Unknown 1:49
What a poetic way
Devin 1:50
of putting that.
Anand Jagatia 1:53
Although Manu is a brand new human who has just been born, his arrival got Devin wondering about death.
Devin 2:00
After my son was born, I did the usual stuff, got him a library card, started filling out his passport application, and then I realized he's probably gonna need an email and I thought, why don't I hop on it? And pretty much every combination of his name that I could think of was unable to find it. First name, last name, and then I tried first name dot last name. First name, middle name, middle name, last name. None of them came up unless I started using random strings of letters and numbers. I even specifically gave him a unique middle name so that he would be easy to differentiate. So his name is Emmanuel Chaos.
Burt Sharsteen 2:36
And
Devin 2:36
it turns out that's already taken. My question for crowd science is how much of the internet is being taken up by dead people? Like all of the email accounts, social media, sitting there collecting junk mail and storing information?
Anand Jagatia 2:53
I'm sure there are lots of accounts out there for people who have died and then they just get forgotten about and I guess they're just sort of taking up space, right?
Devin 3:02
And I think it's not even dead people. They're just dead accounts. I've got email addresses that I can't even remember that, you know, when you create to just sign on to a kind of sketchy website, especially in the earlier days when online shopping was less secure. And then I've got all my email accounts from universities.
Anand Jagatia 3:19
That is true. I guess I've just actually not thought about them for years, but the the first email accounts I ever set up with really cheesy usernames, I can't even remember what they would have been. Um, we've sort of got this trail that we leave behind us on the internet of of things that we used and no don't use anymore. And it's just there for no reason,
Devin 3:38
stuff that nobody wants or will ever look at.
Anand Jagatia 3:41
So how many dead people are there on the internet? What a great question. Thanks, Devin. To find out the answer, we need to understand what happens to our online selves when our physical selves pass away. If I drop dead tomorrow, would the big tech companies somehow know? Would my email account get archived? Would my social media accounts get flagged as inactive? How long would it be before my entire online presence, my whole digital self, just got deleted?
Edina Harbinja 4:13
So the big tech companies, the giants such as Google, Meta, Apple, don't routinely delete the diseased account. Most deceased users' profiles will remain there.
Anand Jagatia 4:26
Edina is a lawyer in the UK and an expert in what happens to your online remains after you die.
Edina Harbinja 4:34
So, um Dr. Edina Herbinha, Associate Professor of Technology Law at the University of Birmingham, Birmingham Law School, and my niche area of research is digital death or the post mortem rights of individuals.

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