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Round 12 - "At every layer, it is a catastrophic failure" - Dempsey Goal not paid (30.05.26)
30 May 2026
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Chapter 1: What controversial event sparked the discussion in this episode?
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It's really easy to apportion the hot seat for Razorback 4x4, Australia's best four-wheel drive seat covers with unbeatable protection and comfort. Correct the howler. Every sports administrator comes at technology in their game from the same position. We're just trying to correct the howler. And then they spend all their time searching for perfection in the minutia.
Balls that are eight feet above the post and a bent finger on blurred vision whilst being completely unable to... correct the howler. So Greg Swan came to this position and he had the very simple philosophy, if we can get it right, we will get it right. The Ben Keyes was the rolled gold example, eight to 16 seconds.
That was the timeframe to be able to correct what happened to the Crows against the Swans in that infamous event. So Greg introduces the possibility for the arc in the timeframe of eight to 16 seconds. And then the operator for reasons that are...
completely unacceptable after a minute and 10 seconds intervenes on a replay that is inconclusive at best it's overreach it's the worst kind of meddling so greg swan goes well we can't we simply can't have that so i'm going to remove the fail safe of 8 to 16 seconds
And then because of the natural way sport works, last night we get the example that could have and should have been corrected under the previous rule in 8 to 16 seconds. The conclusive replay was there 20 seconds afterwards on the replay, which means it had already been sitting there for 10 to 12 seconds.
And had Greg's heartfelt aspiration not been so vandalized the first time it was used, he would have been able to implement it in such a way and people would have gone, well done, you corrected the howler. But this is the whole misnomer with technology in sport. It's the false prophecy. And I don't know how many times we have to see it.
It simply doesn't work in the manner that people, this is how it'll work, we'll correct the howler. And the howler comes along and it couldn't be corrected. And the human error at play here is borderline unforgivable. The goal umpire who stumbles and falls over, the field umpire who's right there, who doesn't just offer a moment of counsel, say, hey, you fell over.
Why don't we just check what happened here? Because you couldn't have had a clear view of it. So at every layer, at every layer, it's catastrophic failure. So if you put the chains on the doors today and switch the power off, it could stand there as a relic, the Ark.
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Chapter 2: How does technology impact decision-making in sports?
It could stand there as a cautionary tale, as football's version of Chernobyl. Just a rot. And we open it as a museum piece. These are the years where we tried to correct the howler.
But you know what? What's the answer to it? We couldn't do it.
It's not what we're doing now.
What do you think the answer is?
I think the answer is all sorts of different ways, but it's not this. So if Nick Newman kicks that ball in, are you happy for it to be called back and given a goal?
I'm not happy with anything, Tom, because I don't know how much clearer I could be. You're not listening. Across 17 years, I've cautioned against this and the way that it has been erroneously used under the banner of correct the howler. And all it has done is implemented howler and failed to correct the obvious.
while we've gone searching in the weeds for balls that are eight feet over the post and a bent finger on blurry vision and a ball that snicked the inside of the padding of the post, none of which constitute howler.
So David Roden and the umpire last night should have just called for the arc and we wouldn't be having this conversation if that was the case.
But that's the failure of the whole system. And nothing ever happens in isolation, right? At the very start of this system, David Roden was overruled in a reprehensible way one night at Geelong. The players banged into the right-hand post while he was watching the left-hand post, which the ball did not hit. And the ripple on the right-hand post was used to overrule his call.
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Chapter 3: What is the significance of the 8 to 16 seconds rule in sports officiating?
I actually disagree a little bit, Gerard. I've got the hope that they'll iron out these bugs and in time we'll get exactly what we want. In how many years? I'm saying by the end of the year. Okay, so we're 17 years in and you think it'll be resolved by the end of the year?
Well, the ARC hasn't been in for 17 years. And Swanee's been in for six months. The Correct the Howler has been in operation for 17 years. Well, I think we're almost there. Do you follow cricket?
I follow cricket, but we're not talking about cricket. I think it's human as much as the technology. I think educating the umpires on... The scientific, yes, black and white, it does not happen. There's got to be a bit of grey. And you've got to live in the grey in the most common sense way. And educating that, I think that's part of it.
And I think the arc, I don't think it's miles off, but I could be on my own cane. I don't know how you feel about it.
for me it's hard because sometimes it works like Young kicks a goal he was celebrating and it was clearly touched Carlton players knew it was touched his own teammates knew it was touched Geelong knew it so that actually worked this is the hard part for me sometimes it does work Now, I don't know what the exact solution is.
You sort of look at other sports, and I've been watching a lot of the NBA playoffs, and they have a coach's challenge, and everyone does this finger twirl. It kind of annoys me, but at least you're punished if you get it wrong, and it's your call. So could there be a buzzer in the box where they go, we've seen this, bang, coach's challenge.
We get two per game, and if you get it right, you keep it. I don't know what it is. I'm with you, Gerard, that it's not working in the way that it should right now, but sometimes it does. Sometimes they do make an important, correct decision. That's where I'm a bit conflicted on using the technology or not. That was the Hot Seat Razorback 4x4 Premium Seat Covers.
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