Culture Shapes Security. Changing Behavior. David Cross, Atlassian & Flavius Plesu, OutThink.

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David Cross is the CISO at Atlassian. In this episode, he joins host Scott Schober and Flavius Plesu, CEO at OutThink, to discuss the gap between what organizations measure and what actually tells you behavior is changing, including what proof looks like, the success of phishing programs, and more. Culture Shapes Security is a Cybercrime Magazine podcast series brought to you by OutThink. To learn more about our sponsor, visit https://outthink.io.

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