In episode 59 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, co-hosts Sean Atkinson and Tony Sager are joined by Ed Skoudis, founder of the SANS Penetration Testing Curriculum and Counter Hack. Together, they discuss the value of penetration testing – all while CIS as an organization is undergoing a pentest! They begin by considering the historical perspective of pentests. (In Tony's words, "the foundational perspective for testing back then was to create drama.") They then reflect on how penetration tests excel when they prioritize education using a process of feedback. During the course of the conversation, Sean and Ed draw upon their years of collaboration to explain what this process can look like. They conclude by providing advice on how less mature organizations can get value from a penetration test.ResourcesFollow Ed on LinkedInCounter HackCIS Critical Security Control 18: Penetration TestingPenetration TestingEpisode 35: Remembering the Late Alan PallerIf you have some feedback or an idea for an upcoming episode of Cybersecurity Where You Are, let us know by emailing [email protected].

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