Danny Jones Podcast
#270 - DNA Expert Warns of Mysterious New 'Turbo Cancer' Outbreak | Kevin McKernan
Mon, 18 Nov 2024
Watch this episode ad-free & uncensored on Patreon: https://patreon.com/dannyjones Kevin McKernan has pioneered the genomics of cannabis based therapeutics, human tumor sequencing & has initiated an R&D project to investigate chemFET semiconductor based DNA sequencing. Kevin's work has resulted in hundreds of publications and 7 Journal covers from Science Translational Medicine to Nature. SPONSORS https://mintmobile.com/danny - Get the 3 month plan for only $15 / month. https://publicrec.com/dannyjones - Get 20% off w/ code DANNYJONES. https://buy.ver.so/danny - Get 15% off your first order. https://whiterabbitenergy.com/?ref=DJP - Use code DJP for 20% off EPISODE LINKS https://twitter.com/Kevin_McKernan https://anandamide.substack.com https://medicinalgenomics.com FOLLOW DANNY JONES https://www.instagram.com/dannyjones https://twitter.com/jonesdanny OUTLINE 00:00 - Florida's Amendment 3 10:32 - Diseases linked to THC 15:16 - Human genome project 22:55 - Plant & Human DNA 29:28 - Genome sequencing to treat cancer 35:37 - Sequencing cannabis genomes 43:22 - PCR tests 56:06 - SV-40 01:06:42 - FDA 01:10:16 - New tumor research 01:15:54 - Contagious cancers 01:23:56 - Bio-defense & health 01:26:09 - Pharma & fraud 01:41:36 - Turbo cancers 01:45:43 - Decentralized medicine 01:50:20 - EMF's 01:54:08 - Defense grants & viruses 02:04:12 - Peer review process 02:15:39 - Casey & Calley Means 02:24:51 - Psychedelics & cancer treatments Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Chapter 1: What is Florida's Amendment 3 about?
We were just having a great conversation about the amendment. I think it was three, the cannabis one. And I was telling you my understanding of it. The picture DeSantis painted about it was that there was one big company that was going to control all the weed. And this was somehow going to be bad. Yes, this is Trulieve.
Trulieve, okay. The bill was written – perhaps it could have written the bill a little bit better. But what I don't think and what I tried to do is weigh in. I have some connections to DeSantis and Joe Latipo from some of the work we've done in the COVID space.
And I don't think they appreciate that the federal government just kneecaps all the cannabis companies a few years ago by basically legalizing hemp, which I'm all for. I think hemp should be legal. Right.
What they've done is they've created a two-tier regulatory structure where the people who are growing hemp don't have to safety test it, don't have to have the same labeling, they don't have to have licenses, they don't have to have cameras, they don't have to grow indoors. I mean, they don't have banking restrictions like the cannabis field has.
So what's happening in the cannabis field is everyone is kind of moving their business out of the regulated market and into the hemp market and selling it across state lines. Because if it's hemp, it can go across state lines. So what you'll find in Florida, you can go to any smoke shop down here and see people are selling THCP, HHC.
These are all like alternative cannabinoids that we don't know much about because they're technically not cannabis.
Or like the Delta-9s and all those.
Delta-8 is one. So if you take CBD, you can take CBD, which comes out of hemp and is not psychoactive. Very, very helpful compound for epilepsy, a lot of different diseases. But you can acid catalyze that into Delta-8. which is psychoactive. And then that is technically derived from hemp. And you can sell that in an unregulated fashion across state lines everywhere.
And so everyone is sneaking forms of psychoactive THC through the hemp bill into all of these states that only have medical because there's a rec market there that wants it.
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Chapter 2: What diseases are linked to THC?
And I wouldn't be surprised if truly these other companies just say, screw it, throw in the towel and start calling their stuff hemp. and selling it. And then they don't have the same cost structure, testing oversight, and understanding of what's actually in the product. So net, I think it's worse for consumers what they did because they don't have... The one selling aspect...
of a regulated and tested market is that you know what's in the product. It's that they test it. They know there's no heavy metals, there's no pesticides. You know what the cannabinoid concentration actually is, and that's in fact THC and not some synthetic cannabinoid like spice that they popped in. All of those type of kitchen chemists sell things through the hemp market.
So even though things are labeled as hemp, you don't really know if it's even Delta-8. Sometimes it can be THC acetate, it can be THCP, it can be HHC. There's a long list of compounds that we don't really have thousands of years of biochemistry and toxicology on. So, yeah, it's a bit ironic. The reason I know Joe Latipo is that We ended up discovering this contamination of the vaccines.
And ironically, we would have never discovered that if we didn't have recreational cannabis in Massachusetts, which is a very bizarre story. But that whole discovery came about because we were sequencing cannabis plants to try to understand hop latent viroid.
hop late environment is a small rna molecule that infects the cannabis industry and it just devastates grows like 40 loss and crop yields right um and so what we were doing is taking these plants that were infected and looking at their rna signature throughout time to see what happens when this thyroid infects the plant why does it kill it like what is the 40 loss by what genes does it like turn down what genes does it activate where is it in the plant um
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Chapter 3: What was the Human Genome Project's goal?
Those experiments were running great for about nine weeks, and then suddenly our sequencing data came back and it was no longer concentrated on genes. It was sequencing the entire genome. That's not what we wanted. We wanted to look at what genes were going up and down. So what you do when something like that happens in an experiment
is you have to go get a control that's a like a pharmaceutical grade rna and spike it in to see why is it broken like if that if that pharmaceutical grade rna doesn't come through then you can help pinpoint okay this is the step in the lab that's not functioning and that's why we're not capturing rna And I happen to have vaccines on the shelf for another reason. We can go into it another day.
People sent them to me anonymously in the mail because they thought I would do something with them. And they probably didn't expect me to do this with it. So I ended up using those. I spiked them into the well being like, all right, this is a perfect pharmaceutical. In theory, this is a perfect pharmaceutical grade RNA.
I'm going to spike this into our cannabis sequencing to see where the pipeline's broken. And when it came out, we found that contamination that Jack spoke about here. But that experiment would have been harder to do in Florida because we have recreational rules in mass, which allow us to actually do that type of research.
That's harder to get done down here because you have to have a medical card and it's much more tightly regulated. And so it saddened me when I saw that the Amendment 3 didn't go through. And what I loved about DeSantis and Joe Latipa was during the pandemic, they brought in, you know, a set of contrarians to say, you know, what's going on with the pandemic? You know, the fringe people.
This was one of the only places that had the monoclonal antibodies that you could get.
Yes, until Biden came and took them, right? So anyway, they were very good. I have a lot of respect for them for what they did to the pandemic because they stopped and looked outside of the box and said, hey, something's wrong. Let's get some other experts in here. They brought in Jay Bhattacharya. They brought in Martin Kulldorff. They brought in Sunupja Kutra.
And that steered them in the right path. And I wish I had the time to do that with them on the canvas front because I think they got – I understand their concerns, which is that, hey, you don't want this to go willy-nilly with all the kids, right? You don't want the kids running around with vape pens in schools and making a big mess with the canvas front.
The reality is they already have that problem. They probably don't have the source of it.
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Chapter 4: How does genome sequencing help treat cancer?
And a couple of testing labs we know in the space were finding high levels of pesticides in those pens. And those pesticides, the nature of them means that they can be in parts per million, maybe parts per billion in cannabis. You put them through an extraction system and they're in parts per thousand. Like the cannabinoids might enrich threefold in the pens.
Like they might go from the plant from 20% to 80%. maybe 60% in the pens, but you can see the pesticides go up 100-fold in concentration. You don't want to have an unregulated vape pen thing out there when the cannabis field right now
has two different regulatory structures, one where you can grow outdoor hemp and no one can really QC it or does QC it, and you can load it with pesticides, doesn't have to go through safety testing, and ends up sold into gas stations outside of whether Amendment 3 votes yes or no. So Florida is loaded with this.
You can go to all types of places here that sell pens that have no safety testing on them.
And that's all with hemp products? Yeah, those are all coming through the hemp, the farm bill. But the stuff that you buy from like the dispensaries, that's actually not hemp. That's actual.
That's actual THC. And usually that stuff is more expensive, too, because the regulatory structure is probably overboard on that front because they have to grow it all indoors with lights. I mean, if you look at Colorado's grid, I don't know if it's still true today, but earlier on when they legalized something like two to four percent of electrical grid in Colorado was going to cannabis lights.
So like, you know, growing this indoors is stupid, particularly down here. Right. So that, that, that, that creates overhead. So if that bill passed, you still wouldn't be allowed to grow your own. That's, that's, that's a legitimate complaint. Like there shouldn't be, you should have home grow. You should be able to do that. Just like you can brew beer at home.
And the reality is most people who do go, go at home, they don't turn it into a freaking plant. Yeah.
It doesn't turn out like you're, it's not like you're Walter white.
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Chapter 5: What are the implications of PCR tests?
If you have a stroke or if you are into MMA, you'll notice a lot of the MMA players. use CBD. And it's because you need a lipid soluble antioxidant in the brain when you get brain injury. So there's neural inflammation. The best thing for that is CBD. Really? It gets right through the blood brain barrier and is a very potent antioxidant and just dampens down the inflammation.
I think ketones is really good for that too. Yeah, ketogenic diets I see, I think there's probably some overlap in the pathways there. And likewise, the things that Jack was bringing up as well is a very interesting area of research as to where the actual cannabinoid chemistry overlaps with mitochondria. In the brain, 15% of the cannabinoid receptors are actually on mitochondria.
And in neuronal cells. So it's very much dialed into the energetics inside the brain and the metabolism in the brain is the whole endocannabinoid system. So it's an important area of the medical field that's frankly just been suppressed for decades. for longer than, you know, everyone got a good glimpse of what happens in medical suppression during COVID. Imagine that for 40 years.
That's what's been going on with cannabinoids is the pharmaceutical industry has been doing everything they can to suppress this because it's not a compound that they can exclusively own. And so if they even do bother to try and patent it to some degree and get it out like GW Pharma did,
They're then faced with the fact that there are hundreds of dispensaries around, thousands of dispensaries around the country that are going to sell it five times cheaper than their FDA-approved product. So they did this for epilepsy, which is Epidiolex. This is a CBD extract. Got it all the way through the FDA. It works great for duvet syndrome and seizures.
Many of the people in the field will be like, yeah, it's too pure. Who came up with this drug? Epidiolex is from GW Pharma. So they've since been bought by a Japanese company. I'm forgetting its name. But it took them a long time to get that through.
And, of course, the expense of running all the clinical trials and building that business out means when their final product comes out, it's usually five times the price of a CBD oil you can get at a dispensary. Right. So they end up being faced with getting a drug through an expensive process only to turn around and find out there's already a generic out there that's going to mimic it.
And the only thing they can do is beg the FDA to go and threaten these dispensaries by saying you can't have any medical language or treatment guidelines on your products. That's why you won't see things written on cannabis products saying this is good for headaches or what have you. You're not supposed to list any kind of – um, medical quality, if you will, uh, on, on the label of these products.
Right. Okay. So for people that are here listening that, uh, don't know who you are.
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Chapter 6: What are turbo cancers and their origins?
Chapter 7: How does the FDA regulate cannabis and vaccines?
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it was really um ironically through francis collins who we'll probably get to later and the pitch there was we want to go to personalized medicine we want to sequence everyone's genome figure out their differences and and drug them accordingly instead of this let's build one drug test it on 10 000 people and and send it across the entire globe and hope it works right the idea was no we're going to get more precision about this we're going to actually when you have cancer sequence your genome and then sequence the the genome of your tumor which will be different in most cases
and see if we can find druggable differences that will kill the tumor and not kill the patient. And some of those started to occur in that timeframe. There was one drug called Orissa that was specific to, it failed as a drug until they discovered, I think it was Dan Haber up at MGH that did this and Matthew Myerson, Dana Farber.
They discovered that if you took that drug and actually looked at people's EGFR receptors, there was like a 15 base pair insert, a deletion inside that gene that if you had it, the drug worked. And if you didn't, it did not work. So the drug failed on population-wide. But if you isolated the people and sequenced them first, you had remarkable success rates with the drug.
So it rescued a drug just by knowing the genetics of the population to put it on.
That's amazing.
So that was really the whole goal of the Human Genome Project was to do that a thousand times over and do that in every disease is can we target these drugs so that we're not sloppily – you know, blanketing the population with drugs that we test on small populations and they blow up on us when we hit, you know, different, different, um, haplogroups or different populations out there.
And is it true that the, the, the variation in the human genome, there's like, there's not a lot of variation.
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Chapter 8: What is the role of decentralized medicine?
And I mean the fascinating thing about that whole field is that not only does DNA circulate from the child but so do erythrocytes and other particular cells that stay in the mother. Like mothers have some number of cells in their brain from the child's that they've born before that stick around that you can detect decades later.
So it's a, yeah, it's a fascinating field of like, you know, what does that mean? And what does that, what does that bring to the mother? And you know, the, the, the bonding that could be going on there and what's what's the communication and meaning or what's the purpose of that, I suppose, biologically. Yeah.
Right. How did you get involved in talking about and kind of like you essentially kind of like blew the whistle on something that was going on with the covid vaccines?
OK, yeah.
So, yeah, I watched that video where you were talking, speaking to a panel and you discovered something with the DNA vaccine. actually being aware. And you somehow got your hands on two expired vials of the Pfizer. Indeed.
Yeah. So, so this is to fill in a bit of a small gap there in my history is after what was exciting about sequencing all of these tumors is that I was hopeful that we see personalized medicine, but of course the FDA has, has a pretty, you saw what they did to 23andMe, right? 23andMe at one point had great genetic tools that people could learn about their genomes online.
And, and the FDA came in and said, no more of that. You can really, I wasn't aware of this. Yeah, a long time ago, they were accusing them of practicing medicine. And so now they could only report – 23andMe could only report on like a couple medical conditions when before their chips used to be able to tell you all types of information from Alzheimer's to breast cancer risk to –
And the FDA significantly narrowed how much medical content that they could have in the interpretation of that data. So I got a little frustrated with that. And I was kind of in the rat race of startup building these sequencers and decided I was going to get out and just start doing something completely different, sequencing cannabis genomes.
Okay.
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