Danny Jones Podcast
#291 - Smithsonian Cover-Up: The Lost GIANTS of Ancient America | Jim Vieira
Thu, 20 Mar 2025
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Chapter 1: What was the ayahuasca cure for seizures?
You were just telling me you had a... What were you saying about your TBI? How did you get a traumatic brain injury? Playing football. Oh, really?
It was funny. We were playing East Bridgewater. I grew up in Hull, south of Boston. Pull us a little closer. Yep. And I was a running back and a linebacker, and I took a hit during the play, and I scored on, like, an 80-yard touchdown. But, like, I remember running, and, like, the cerebrospinal fluid came out of my nose. Oh! Yeah, and I was like...
Just just really wonky and everybody's jump, you know, I scored the touchdown I go back to my coach and I explain what was happening But there's like, you know, the 70s something like the freakin Dark Ages. So I get sent back in obviously with the swollen brain skull fracture and TBI and and ended up manifesting as a seizures disorder.
I would get waves of petty, grand mal seizures that required medication and hospitalizations and massive depression for weeks on end. The moral of the story is I then went to meet with the shamans in Ecuador and do a series of ayahuasca ceremonies for many weeks. And I came back and healed the seizure disorder. I never took medication again. I got off the Dilantin, the Depakote, the Neurontin.
And I haven't had auras or seizures in like 15 years. Auras? Auras are kind of like pre... it's like almost a precognition of a seizure. You know when it's coming. So it's this weird twilight zone. And with the seizures, especially the petty mauls, I would get waves of them in the sleeping waking state and they would cause massive depression for weeks on end. I mean, I couldn't freaking move.
I was like paralyzed and it was insidious and intractable. And all this is verified by my former neurologist, Dr. Allison Ryan in North Hampton, Mass. So I am indebted to the spirits of ayahuasca, let's say.
Holy cow, man. So after you did the ayahuasca, you never got any seizures or auras? No. How old were you?
Probably like 17 years ago, something like that. Yeah, yeah, what was I? No, the seizures didn't manifest until a little later. I got the injury early on, and then I started to get neurological dysregulation and things like that. But the real seizures, I think, started manifesting in my 20s. How long after the injury did the seizures start coming on?
Seven, eight years. Seven or eight years, really? Yeah.
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Chapter 2: What evidence exists for giant humanoid skeletons?
I could tell you a metaphysical theory, you know, that one thing was I faced all these neuroses and self-doubt and this internal anxiety. conflict and trauma within myself, like everybody suffers with. So I really straightened out a lot of the things that drove my behaviors in life that were unhealthy, addictions, seeking externally. I was able to sit with myself
There's a part of the brain called the claustrum, right? The ego center that literally gets put to sleep and anesthetized when you do plant medicine ceremonies, when you do psychedelics. John Hopkins figured that out in like 2020. So I like to say the ego gets put to sleep, the tyrannical operating software of the separate self, the mystics would say.
It gets put to sleep and you can see with clear vision. And it's like... You get like this life review. You can see everything. You can see how you behave unlevelingly and why. You can see the drives and the unworthiness. And you can do something about it. You can make these changes in your life. But the day-to-day tyranny of the ego doesn't allow you to see that.
It's in the way of, say, your divine nature, for instance. So I believe that I removed a lot of that.
turmoil and judgment and in all these because all the judgments we have for others in the world that are really judgments and unworthiness we feel about ourselves projected to get a hit so you feel better and self-righteous like a freaking bad drug addict the reality is it's like that undoing of the trauma within that manifests in a better way so moral of the story i think there's a physiological aspect to ayahuasca and i think there's a metaphysical one as well it allows you to self-reflect
make changes in your life and yeah that's my experience it lasts a while right a few hours oh yeah absolutely um and i was doing san pedro uh cactus as well which is mescaline is the main ingredient there there's like 15 17 hour grueling you know people say like oh you're just getting high or whatever it's just like you face all your dark fears you're you're
It's terrifying, often, these ceremonies, and don't go into it lightly, I would say, you know? Yeah. And the shamans know this, and they're your tour guide through this experience, quite frankly. So they know what you're facing, and it's harrowing, you know? But... Have you ever smoked straight-up DMT? What's the Bufo I have? That's like the 5MD, what the hell is it? 5MEO DMT? Correct.
That I have. That lasts like five to 10 minutes, right?
That lasts quickly. Ayahuasca, psilocybin, those are multi-hour experiences. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And it's a similar thing. They all have the same mechanism or function of putting the ego to sleep and allowing you to see with clear vision.
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Chapter 3: What is the Hancock vs. Dibble debate about?
I wonder, you've done both. Is it a similar sort of experience when you're on ayahuasca, just longer lasting? Yeah.
Yes, yes. It's a little more intense. DMT really blows the top off your ego.
Oh yeah, it really does blow the top off. I felt my soul leave my body.
Bingo. And it's tough to translate into this waking state that we appear to exist in. So people like, you know, what are those dudes talking about? But it's wild, as you know. And I did a ceremony in anticipation of coming here with the Shamanista this weekend. And we could talk about that later if you want or whenever.
it's the same mechanism it's the same thing that keeps happening it's like wow it's you're tapping into another reality and i've done this like i i'm a non-dualist so i study like the upanishads the astavakra gita ramana maharashi lautsu jesus buddha like all these mystics that say the same strange and specific thing and radical thing about the nature reality so for months i just keep rereading the astavakra gita
which is considered, it's an ancient Sanskrit text that's considered like the most mind-bending metaphysical text in history. And I kept rereading it and I got thrust into that state of the one of timelessness. And I'm like, so it's not just like, oh, this substance is altering your brain chemistry. There are ways through fasting and meditation and other modalities.
As the mystics would say, it's like sahaja, your natural state. The ego state, the external searcher, the disaffected hungry ghost is not your real state. So it's removing the blocks to your awareness is enlightenment. It's not accessing or gaining something in the external world, right? So it's a different dynamic.
I have to remove the false beliefs to rediscover what I already am, which is a blissful state, which is tough for people to believe. I get that because it's like... You live ten minutes in this world. It doesn't appeal like that. You know what I mean?
Right, right man. What a Groove gruesome injury what you your your spinal fluid was coming out of your nose. Yeah, I Jesus. And then what did they... Like, when you first went in, like... I didn't know for years later. Were you in the hospital for a long time after that?
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Chapter 4: What are the findings about ancient civilizations and giants?
And I'm grateful for it as twisted and painful as it's been. And I have a lot of empathy for people with depression because I had this crippling... I couldn't move for weeks. It was like painting my world black and gray.
It was like... Yeah, no, it's... Brain injuries are known for being... They're known for being endocrine disruptors. So they can really affect your hormone regulation and like your testosterone levels. That's why a lot of football players or fighters or boxers or whatever that have had those extreme head injuries, they have to do hormone therapy after that.
Yeah. Well, thanks for being open to that. Hopefully, I know a lot of people who suffer similar things.
That explains the depression, too, like low hormone, low testosterone levels and stuff like that that can affect your whole body, including your mood and your depressive states and all that. So how did you get into all the stuff you're doing now? You wrote two books about giants and Stonehenge and this ancient history. How did you get into this world?
I'm a stonemason by trade. So my brother and I run a dry mason's business in Weston, Mass. Are you a Freemason? No, no. Yeah, people ask that. No, it's like, I study Freemasonry and Rosicrucianism. I think they're interesting. You know, we build our projects, utilitarian projects with quarried stone. We redo old walls. We've been at it for like 25, 30 years.
And one of the things we like, we're avid hikers. And so we're out in the woods and we keep seeing these constructions that were thought to be colonial, that are more seemingly Native American, anthropomorphic forms, cairns, turtles, serpents. And I'm like, whoa, this seems to be like this subtle Native American landscape of stone hidden in New England.
And I wasn't the first one to, I found out I wasn't the first one to draw that conclusion. And other researchers have wrote about it. So what I did was, because I'm kind of a Rain Man record keeper type of guy, I went to the UMass library and started reading the town and county histories to see if there were any occurrences of colonists showing up.
and documenting pre-existing Native American walls and stone chambers and other structures. And in fact, they are in the historical record. So the colonists found Native American stonework in New England. Like other, you know, it's not a great, you know, like incredible because there were stone forts in Tennessee, in the Midwest. We know all about all the Kivas and stuff.
But the thought, the archeological idea is that Native Americans didn't build with stonework in New England. Right. So by virtue of reading through all these town and county histories, I started to find the most bizarre giant skeleton accounts.
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Chapter 5: How does mysticism relate to ancient cultures?
A bunch of networks said, yeah, we want this show. History said, we'll run it straight to a series without a pilot. And we're like, we'll do it. Yeah, which was cool. So we did our first season of Search for the Lost Giants. And I'll just give some background.
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There's this idea like the Smithsonian, they got, you know, giant skeletons in the basement and all that. And there's this massive archeological coverup.
And i'm a fraud, you know, I work with archaeologists and geologists and scientists have them on a show I'm friends with many academics and the idea that there's some global conspiracy to cover up evidence is even if it was Desired it'd be impossible if you know what i'm saying, right? so We have this this idea that there's a massive conspiracy to cover this, you know, giant giants.
Yes and I would say the only point i'm making is littered within the smithsonian's own ethnology reports their scientists have described the unearthing of massive bones over and over again and so it's embedded in their records in an episode two of our show well i'll backtrack and the smithsonian claims that the largest skeleton that's ever been in their possession is a six foot three
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Chapter 6: What connections are there between Plato, Atlantis, and Ogygia?
sue native american skeleton with acromegaly that's like pituitary gigantism it's a disease condition right so they're claiming that right we're in staleville missouri in episode two and we find the cave where they at puckett's cave where they found an eight and a half foot skeleton and we go through we you know we talked to everyone we found where find where it was unearthed
And we go through the microfilm and we find an eight and a half foot skeleton laying on the doctor's office next to six foot and a half less eaten. We found a photograph of it. And then 15 days later, it's requested to be shipped to the Smithsonian. And I'm saying that. The skeleton is there, wired together by University of Missouri archaeologists and shipped to the Smithsonian.
So how does that shrink into something that's less than six foot three? And the Smithsonian's own records have a count after a count that Hugh and I read in our book of similar skeletons that are claimed by their scientists to be over seven foot, over eight foot. So I don't have a time machine. You can only make educated guesses about the past.
But to say that this is a ridiculous premise and I'm like, you know, some grifter or weirdo or, you know, the way that the pseudo skeptics often look at the alternative community of researchers is that it's like they're my ideological enemy, like in science. I'm not gonna yield an inch to them. I'm not just gonna dismiss what they have to say. I'm gonna denigrate them. I'm gonna call them racist.
I'm gonna do whatever I can to throw red meat to my base because I'm stimulated because I'm some heroic gatekeeper. And on this end, on the alternative end, I would say, I could run with this narrative that, oh, I'm some maverick fighting the evils of archaeology, and I'm a great guy in, like, being this bullshit echo chamber of true believers as well. But that's not reality either.
You know, like, science is apolitical. Science is objective. I need to see and analyze a 10-foot skeleton to solve the case. I can't just spin bullshit. You know what I mean? So the moral of the story is, you know, scientists are like cops. They should deal with a lot of shit. They deal with crazy people.
Right.
And they got to keep their cool to get the respect they deserve. You know what I'm saying? Like you go through all that hard work. I got my PhD. I am an expert in this field. You know, like Graham Hancock, for instance. Yeah. I may not agree with you, but this is what I need to see.
for your theory to be accurate i have to see a 12 000 year old date from some temple site in egypt at the assyrian or whatever i need to see this evidence all the all the other stuff all the claims of racism that that makes people almost believe in conspiracies you know what i mean like that that you objectively state what is needed and then if you show me this i'm all his you know right yeah what did you make of that podcast with him and flint dibble
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Chapter 7: What insights do future archaeologists have?
It's like, I don't give a shit what you vote for. It's a different dynamic. But will you indulge me for a second to read a quote and hopefully put the racist thing to bed? Of course. This is what Vine Deloria said. He was a Lakota Sioux elder.
voted by time magazine is one of the greatest religious thinkers of the 20th century he's he's an author he wrote uh red earth white lies he was critical of of kind of white mainstream archaeology anthropology and he actually organized a conference in 1999 in washington state where he had all these elders share their indigenous wisdom about giants which is very interesting as well
So people say, oh, this is a fairy tale, you know, giants or whatever. It's like, how can virtually every culture on earth and almost every Native American tribe have these traditions of giants? And that's something.
When was he from again? What time? What time period? Oh, 80s. I think he passed away in 2000.
Oh, yeah. Vine DeLorean.
the indian explanation is always cast aside let me see as a superstition precluding indians from having acceptable status as human beings and reducing them in the eyes of the educated people to a pre-human level of ignorance the stereotypical image of american indians as childlike superstitious creatures permeates american society because americans have been taught that scientists are always right that they have no personal biases and that they do not lie which is
and a lot of indigenous scholars think the same way it's like you're dictating to us what we should believe because these ideas that the natives have are are about floods they're about giants they're about lost civilizations and they are they are a part of the belief system of the ideological enemy of science which is religion and mythology right so it's like i'm not going to yield an inch
So I'm going to make claims of racism where I kind of subtly and racially do not listen to the traditions of indigenous people. So I just throw that out there. It's like time to pull that, you know, if I got like a SS tattoo on my neck and I'm saying Nazi Superman built this and that, you know, you can shit on me, but yeah.
i'd like to put that to rest because i love working with professionals i've organized archaeological digs i sit and i talk to like anthropologists for hours on end i've um presented at um university campuses and the kids you know and i'm like a goodwill ambassador from lunatic fringe you know i talk about fish gods and atlantis and i i find these subjects interesting you know and i just like
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Chapter 8: What role do psychedelic experiments play in understanding consciousness?
But I will say we have that photograph of like an eight and a half foot skeleton that was found and shipped to the Smithsonian in 1933 that we found during a show in the microfilm. And we got it in a book. So it's this picture of Les Eaton, who's over six foot tall, next to an eight and a half foot tall skeleton.
To the argument I made, the Smithsonian is claiming that the largest skeleton they ever received was six for three. And I'm not saying modern day scientists, they probably don't even know these stories. But at the time there was a particularly zealous, racist, pre-Nazi eugenist named Dr. Herlichka that ran the anthropology department with an iron fist. Wow. Oh yeah, yeah.
What's his name? How do you spell his name?
Herlichka.
Herlichka? Yeah. H-R-D-L-I-C-K, Dr. Hurdley. So you can find something about this dude. He sounds wild.
He was a Czech anthropologist. He was a lot of the early scientists. There he is right there. actually were into this idea of giants. They were open to it. Their scientists wrote about a 36-inch circumference skull found by Thomas M. Perrin in Illinois, like massive bones in their ethnology reports. But he was the guy in 1933 who wrote and talked about giants are no more. This is wishful thinking.
This is delusions of amateurs and things like that, ignoring the fact that his own scientists had uncovered and reported these things. So it's a really interesting dynamic. And I'm going to say something that's repulsive, but he also said some and believe some of the most racist things you can imagine. He wrote and edited the Journal of American Anthropology in 1933. We write about it in our book.
He said the greatest threat to the American population is blending the inferior blood of the one tenth of the Negro population into the superior white blood of the rest of the of the white race. And he had all kinds of like that. And that's what scientists believed back then.
And this is, you know, you have Native American civilizations with these giant chiefs, the tall ones, with these legends of cannibalistic warlike giants that are clearly in their traditions. You have magnificent geometric forms that predict eclipses. You have this vast and incredible Native American civilization. But they were denigrated and they were marginalized as a ploy to steal their land.
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