Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Hi, everyone. I'm Andrea Canning, and we are talking Dateline. And today we're here with Keith Morrison. Hey, Keith.
Hello. How are you?
And we're also here with producer Justin Balding for this episode. Hey, Justin.
Hi, Andrea.
And this episode is called Raising the Dead. And if you haven't seen it, you can watch the episode on Peacock or listen to it in the Dateline podcast feed, and then you can come right back here. Let's just recap at first. When a young couple was found brutally stabbed in a Wisconsin farmhouse back in 1992, it took investigators decades to charge anyone with the murder.
Their suspect was a man named Tony Hayes, whose DNA and an alleged confession tied him to the crime. But this past summer, a jury acquitted him, leaving the case of the double homicide still open. In this episode, we've got an extra clip from Tony Hayes' interview with the police. And then later, Justin and I will be here to answer your questions from social media. So don't miss that.
All right, well, let's get started. Talking Dateline. So I just want to say right out of the gate... showing a court-ordered exhumation and saying, Keith saying, you know, did they have the wrong person? Did they have the wrong killer? I mean, that was a very dramatic open, in my opinion.
Well, yeah, we like to think so. It was certainly a dramatic event in the course of events in this story.
Yeah, it's always interesting when you get exhumations because I do feel like they are pretty rare and they're pretty extreme. And in this case, this exhumation was really almost like crossing their T's and dotting their I's for the prosecution. They wanted to make sure that there were no more questions about this alternate suspect who had died.
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Chapter 2: What happened in the Wisconsin farmhouse murder case?
They just think that there's way more to that story with him than we've seen.
and, and it brings up the whole question. It is an ancient question, frankly, about when people hear a story and they, uh, hear the people who may possibly have been the murderer, um, in a murder story. And it almost always fits a template. That's very, very much like Jeff Teal. Jeff Teal just seemed to be the perfect suspect.
And he continued to seem like the perfect suspect because he continued to misbehave and to act out and to, you know, be, be violent. Um, So even all of those years later, people were reluctant to let him go, I think.
Chapter 3: Who is Tony Hayes and what evidence linked him to the crime?
One of the things when we're trying to put these two-hour shows together is sometimes there aren't a lot of alternate suspects. This one was just like suspect after suspect after suspect.
Out of the woodwork came all kinds of people, or certainly enough to present an array of suspects. And one of the surprises for me was that a small town in America is a tiny place in Wisconsin, the sort of place where you would feel as peaceful and serene at all times. And here they find...
These dreadful goings-on, not only these murders, but then the Glendon Galkert character and the other people that he named. He was scary. And he remains in prison to this day.
Chapter 4: Why was Tony Hayes acquitted despite the evidence?
He was up for the death penalty and very cleverly managed to get off the death penalty in order to be apparently cooperative in this case when really what he was doing was just leading them down a garden path.
And the police and the prosecution, the prosecutors were so kind of angered by Glendon Galkert that they actually wanted to reinstate the death penalty on him. They were hoping that they could clear up the...
the murders in Waiowega, the Tim and Tanner murders, and they hoped once that was all bundled and sorted, that they would then be able to go back to Oklahoma and say, you know, this guy was selling us a a story made of whole cloth, and we want those charges to be reinstituted.
Sure. Normally, as we've run into this all the time, when somebody is offered a deal, if you tell us the real story, we'll get you off death row or whatever the case may be, they have to tell the truth. And if it can be shown that they didn't tell the truth, then the deal's off.
And whatever happened with them, did they reinstate the death penalty or not? They did not.
They did not. No.
No.
Okay, so he's just sitting in an Oklahoma prison for the rest of his life?
Correct. That's right.
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Chapter 5: What role did the exhumation play in the prosecution's strategy?
And then you had that Wisconsin iron foundry and the farms. So it was kind of like a blend almost of the two cultures.
Very much so. And speaking to the intensity of what you were saying, Andrea, the small community, now that the Trial is over. Everyone is back living in the same area. They live just a few miles from each other. And it's just hard to imagine that they're all living so close. And there is still a lot of tension in the air.
As you can well imagine, my heaven.
How do they live with that, you know, being in this close-knit community and then have this hanging over their head? And how does Tony Hayes, you know, go back into society with, I'm sure a lot of people still think he did it, including law enforcement.
Sure.
Sure.
It must be very, very uncomfortable for him living in that little place, but he has shown no sign of moving away. Has he, Justin?
Not at all, Keith. No. I mean, he... Most of these families have lived there for decades. They've grown up in these farms.
Okay, so when we come back, investigators wondered what happened to some key pieces of evidence. We've got that extra clip from Tony Hayes telling investigators his story of what might have happened to the knife.
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