Talking Dateline: Raising the Dead
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Hi, everyone. I'm Andrea Canning, and we are talking Dateline. And today we're here with Keith Morrison. Hey, Keith.
Hello. How are you?
And we're also here with producer Justin Balding for this episode. Hey, Justin.
Hi, Andrea.
And this episode is called Raising the Dead. And if you haven't seen it, you can watch the episode on Peacock or listen to it in the Dateline podcast feed, and then you can come right back here. Let's just recap at first. When a young couple was found brutally stabbed in a Wisconsin farmhouse back in 1992, it took investigators decades to charge anyone with the murder. Their suspect was a man named Tony Hayes, whose DNA and an alleged confession tied him to the crime. But this past summer, a jury acquitted him, leaving the case of the double homicide still open. In this episode, we've got an extra clip from Tony Hayes' interview with the police. And then later, Justin and I will be here to answer your questions from social media.
So don't miss that. All right, well, let's get started. Talking Dateline. So I just want to say right out of the gate... showing a court-ordered exhumation and saying, Keith saying, you know, did they have the wrong person? Did they have the wrong killer? I mean, that was a very dramatic open, in my opinion.
Well, yeah, we like to think so. It was certainly a dramatic event in the course of events in this story.
Yeah, it's always interesting when you get exhumations because I do feel like they are pretty rare and they're pretty extreme. And in this case, this exhumation was really almost like crossing their T's and dotting their I's for the prosecution. They wanted to make sure that there were no more questions about this alternate suspect who had died.
Sure.
And I believe the prosecution felt this was going to be a game-changing move before the trial to kind of corner the defense and not allow the defense to be able to present this alternate suspect, whose name is Jeff Thiel, at trial.
Yeah, and Jeff Thiel really becomes like that sticking point for a lot of people.
What happened in the Wisconsin farmhouse murder case?
They just think that there's way more to that story with him than we've seen.
and, and it brings up the whole question. It is an ancient question, frankly, about when people hear a story and they, uh, hear the people who may possibly have been the murderer, um, in a murder story. And it almost always fits a template. That's very, very much like Jeff Teal. Jeff Teal just seemed to be the perfect suspect. And he continued to seem like the perfect suspect because he continued to misbehave and to act out and to, you know, be, be violent. Um, So even all of those years later, people were reluctant to let him go, I think.
Who is Tony Hayes and what evidence linked him to the crime?
One of the things when we're trying to put these two-hour shows together is sometimes there aren't a lot of alternate suspects. This one was just like suspect after suspect after suspect.
Out of the woodwork came all kinds of people, or certainly enough to present an array of suspects. And one of the surprises for me was that a small town in America is a tiny place in Wisconsin, the sort of place where you would feel as peaceful and serene at all times. And here they find... These dreadful goings-on, not only these murders, but then the Glendon Galkert character and the other people that he named. He was scary. And he remains in prison to this day.
Why was Tony Hayes acquitted despite the evidence?
He was up for the death penalty and very cleverly managed to get off the death penalty in order to be apparently cooperative in this case when really what he was doing was just leading them down a garden path.
And the police and the prosecution, the prosecutors were so kind of angered by Glendon Galkert that they actually wanted to reinstate the death penalty on him. They were hoping that they could clear up the... the murders in Waiowega, the Tim and Tanner murders, and they hoped once that was all bundled and sorted, that they would then be able to go back to Oklahoma and say, you know, this guy was selling us a a story made of whole cloth, and we want those charges to be reinstituted.
Sure. Normally, as we've run into this all the time, when somebody is offered a deal, if you tell us the real story, we'll get you off death row or whatever the case may be, they have to tell the truth.
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Chapters
5 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:04–2:25
2
What happened in the Wisconsin farmhouse murder case?
2:25–3:06
3
Who is Tony Hayes and what evidence linked him to the crime?
3:06–3:47
4
Why was Tony Hayes acquitted despite the evidence?
3:47–5:56
5
What role did the exhumation play in the prosecution's strategy?
5:56–29:44
Speakers
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