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The Thing About Helen & Olga - Ep. 4: Girl Talk

09 Feb 2026

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Chapter 1: What moral codes do hardened criminals follow?

2.393 - 29.447 Keith Morrison

It's accepted wisdom among tellers of tales, both fictional and true, that even hardened criminals are guided by some code of conduct. It's an enduring notion. The idea that somewhere, even in the most corrupted soul, there beats a heart true to its own values. Even if the only unbreakable rule is don't rat out your friends.

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30.018 - 42.774 Keith Morrison

But future screenwriters hoping to apply even a low-bar patina of honor to the story of Helen Golay and Olga Rutterschmidt will have their work cut out for them.

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42.794 - 50.283 Detective

There's no doubt in my mind that they were going to continue this as long as the large sums of money were flown from the insurance companies.

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51.885 - 73.941 Keith Morrison

They lied. They cheated. And if the LAPD was to be believed, they had killed for money. Tough customers, these two old ladies. But Helen Golay? Well, crusty cops considered her the worst.

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73.961 - 81.692 Detective

If she was a young man, she would be referred to as just one of the scariest killers this country's ever seen.

82.87 - 90.582 Keith Morrison

In this episode, you'll hear recordings investigators uncovered that reveal crimes as they are being committed.

91.503 - 104.162 Brandy

And you are a 48-year-old male, date of birth 11-12-1954. Right. Approximately 5'11", weight 185 pounds. And you applied for a $100,000 life plan, is that correct?

106.385 - 112.354 Keith Morrison

Yes, that's correct. You'll eavesdrop on conversations that prove there was no honor between these thieves.

112.57 - 117.798 Helen Golay

We're going to go to jail, honey. They're going to lock you up.

Chapter 2: What evidence suggests Helen and Olga's criminal partnership?

347.889 - 357.438 Helen Golay

That's what raised the suspicions. It's really what she's saying is, Ellen, you're too greedy.

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357.798 - 359.682 Keith Morrison

Exactly. Your greed has gotten us into this.

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359.702 - 360.825 Detective

It's your fault that we're here.

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362.929 - 392.26 Keith Morrison

So much bile. So much resentment. How had such a lengthy and profitable partnership come to this? Greed, of course. Investigators knew from insurance company records that Helen and Olga had been jockeying to undercut each other ever since the day Kenneth McDavid came under their control. McDavid was a cash cow, and they intended to feed like hyenas on a carcass.

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393.809 - 398.415 Brandy

This is Brandy. How may I help you? Oh, my goodness. This has been a long way. You must be busy.

398.956 - 414.235 Keith Morrison

In this call, recorded by one of the insurance companies, we get a glimpse of Helen Golay in action. The date is September 29, 2003, nearly a year and a half before Kenneth McDavid would be crushed to death in a dark alley.

416.078 - 436.798 Brandy

Let me give you the information. This is the secretary, and then I'll put him on the line for you. This is application number G.B., 5-3-9-9-4-8-1. And it's for Kenneth E. McDavid. You said McDavid? Uh-huh. Hold one moment, let me pull up that application. Thank you.

438.08 - 444.308 Keith Morrison

The lies roll off her tongue. Fiction's so familiar, they're almost like a second skin.

445.029 - 451.238 Brandy

Okay, thank you for holding. And you said Mr. McDavid is going to be on the line? Yeah, you have everything ready? Yes. Because he was on another call.

Chapter 3: How did detectives plan the takedown of Helen and Olga?

525.046 - 531.499 Unknown

Obviously not, my brother. Ken's voice is a deep voice. He has a good, deep radio voice.

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532.962 - 561.92 Keith Morrison

No, that wasn't Kenneth. It was Helen. No doubt you'll have noticed that Helen made no mention of her partner, Olga, in that call. even though on most of their life insurance applications, Olga was a blood relation of Kenneth, his cousin from the Hungarian side of the family. No, Helen Doley was going rogue on this call, cutting her partner out of the action.

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562.821 - 567.507 Keith Morrison

Any payout from this policy would be hers and hers alone.

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568.162 - 571.187 Sam Mayrose

It was definitely not a friendly situation all the time.

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571.668 - 579.34 Keith Morrison

It wasn't the first time, said the FBI's Sam Mayrose. Helen did the same thing with the policies on Paul Vadas.

580.402 - 595.266 Sam Mayrose

And it was kind of interesting because together on Paul, they both owned four policies for just about $740,000. And then Helen, without Olga's knowledge, bought three more policies valued at about $90,000.

596.984 - 637.891 Keith Morrison

Oh, the treachery of it all. And it gets worse. As Kenneth McDavid's life neared its expiration date in June of 2005, each partner tried to undercut the other. The date of this call is June 6th, 2005, two weeks before Kenneth McDavid would be crushed to death.

639.032 - 687.088 Keith Morrison

Yet, even at this late date, Helen is surreptitiously trying to have Olga's name removed from a policy so that she, Helen, will be the only beneficiary once Kenneth McDavid is dead. A reorganization? There aren't many ways to reorganize a two-women tag team.

688.03 - 698.777 Keith Morrison

Still, in this call, Helen is working every angle and is apparently concerned that if she doesn't shiv Olga first, Olga will surely shiv her.

Chapter 4: What happened during the interrogation of Helen and Olga?

1095.775 - 1125.03 Helen Golay

And be nice and don't make extra things. I was doing everything for you. But listen, you are talking. Your fault. I know, but your fault that our relationship ended up like this. And you ended up like this. I know. But admit it was your fault. Because what you did, of course I got angry. I think it would have occurred with money. No matter what. Money would have done this no matter what.

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1125.05 - 1136.503 Helen Golay

Not if you didn't have the AAA and the Garden State and you had another one. Three extra you had this size. Yes, of course I did. How nice of you, huh? I paid for them. You don't listen to me, Helene. It's a big mistake. You're not.

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1137.825 - 1141.069 Detective

That's almost better than a confession. Oh, they're putting the noose around her neck right now.

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1142.591 - 1151.601 Helen Golay

Listen, you are wasting your time and energy with this. We're going to go to jail, Helene. They're going to lock you up. I don't think so.

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1152.205 - 1187.195 Keith Morrison

It was then, about 12 minutes into this little heart-to-heart, that Helen decided to reframe the whole narrative. This wasn't their fault, Helen declared. No, not at all. Their current troubles were actually Kenneth McDavid's fault. After all, the insurance policies were his idea, right? She needed Olga's buy-in, but Olga wasn't having it.

1187.215 - 1205.601 Helen Golay

If Kenneth wanted these policies, he signed for these policies, and we have been punished because of what he wanted, that's not right. Now, remember the bottom line. I was the cousin, you were the fiancƩ, boy. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

1206.83 - 1221.248 Keith Morrison

Though Detective Kilcoyne had promised the women they would only be in that room a few minutes, it had now been more than 20 minutes, and neither was losing steam. This was not a conversation. It was a grievance download.

1221.848 - 1229.057 Helen Golay

I should have taken the plane last month and get the f*** out of here. Go back to Europe. See the greediness that you get into this?

1229.594 - 1241.33 Keith Morrison

In addition to wishing she'd gone to Europe, Olga told Helen she'd given some thought to striking out for Canada to set up a new business there, a new franchise, as it were.

Chapter 5: How did greed affect Helen and Olga's relationship?

1538.59 - 1542.936 Keith Morrison

FBI agent Sam Mayrose remembers well the moment when he first saw it.

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1543.617 - 1553.4 Sam Mayrose

Yes, I do. It was a post-it in Helen's writing, and it had Paul Vadas' name, his biographical information, where he was born. His California ID number.

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1554.101 - 1577.391 Keith Morrison

Based on the date and the time stamp, it was clear that the ticket had been purchased just six hours before Paul Vados turned up dead in a dark alley. Have they treated Paul to one last night on the town before? Well... Oh, and what movie was playing at the Santa Monica AMC in those last doomed hours of his life?

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1577.978 - 1586.368 Keith Morrison

It was The Bone Collector, big budget flick about a serial killer starring Denzel Washington and Angelina Jolie.

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1587.068 - 1593.856 Sam Mayrose

That was an interesting find, yeah. I mean, it's just, the evidence just keep piling up. It was fantastic.

1593.876 - 1619.832 Keith Morrison

It was about a month after the arrests of Helen Golay and Olga Rudderschmidt, almost a year to the day after the death of Kenneth McDavid, that the LAPD decided to do a little bone collecting of their own. Detective Kilcoyne wanted to re-examine the body of Paul Vados. He knew where the bones were buried, because Helen had kept a record. It was her plot.

1619.852 - 1631.83 Detective

You know, I think Helen has got graves in her name all over the country. We have another one in East LA for her, actually waiting for her, that Mr. Vados occupied for a short while.

1632.232 - 1642.234 Keith Morrison

The way the detectives figured it, if Kenneth McDavid had been drugged before he was run over, then there was a good chance the same had been done to Paul Vados.

1642.856 - 1668.938 Sam Mayrose

We knew from the autopsy that Kenneth had been drugged. and what the drugs were that knocked him down or knocked him out, we got search warrants to go back to both Olga's residence and Helen's residence, and we found the ingredients for the drug cocktail at Helen's residence. So that helped out as well. And then based on that, we got another federal search warrant to exhume Paul Vados' body.

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